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  • #31
    http://www.ign.com/articles/2018/07/...comic-con-2018THE NEVERS / 21 JUL 2018


    JOSS WHEDON EXPLAINS TITLE OF HIS HBO SERIES, THE NEVERS - COMIC-CON 2018
    Share. It's not a superhero team name.

    BY JOSHUA YEHL IGN talked to Joss Whedon at Comic-Con 2018 about his upcoming HBO Series, The Nevers. The show is set in the Victorian era and features a group of superpowered women. But what does the title mean? Is it name of a superhero group a la The Avengers? Not exactly. Turns out it’s a reference to how these super-powered women are viewed by society.

    “They, themselves are not called that in the show,” Whedon explained. “It’s a phrase that’s meant to evoke a sort of reaction to their oddity, to what is considered unnatural. The idea that you should never be like this, you should never have existed. Something is not the way it should be, and you don’t have the right to have whatever weird power or ability or that you have. And that idea, that some people are not of the natural order, is fascinating to me. I don't agree with it. But to me, it’s one of those things where you take something negative, and you wear it as a badge of honor, basically. Certain things could never happen - they’re happening. And the people they’re happening to are taking their place in the world.”

    Two years ago at Comic-Con 2015, Whedon announced he was doing a comic at Dark Horse Comics called Twist starring a Victorian era, female Batman-type character. The comic never materialized, but given how similar it sounded to The Nevers, we asked Whedon about if there was a connection and if the comic inspired the show.

    “I’m honestly not sure what’s happening with the comic, because everything got very funky around that time. [Dark Horse] were always like, take your time, and then my time became insane. But what happened was, yeah, there were a lot of stories that I was dancing around, and enough of them were Victorian. I just love that era, I love that stuff, it’s fascinating to me. Particularly, the end of the century, when the world was just about to shift radically. Those are always fascinating things to me. And so I realized at some point that I didn’t wanna tell a story about a person, that I wanted to tell a story that was… this is gonna sound like I’m puffing me up, but Dickensian. That was like, where I can talk about society as a whole through a bunch of people’s interactions and through their adventures. And I just realized, oh, God, I’m gonna do it again! It’s like, I’m doing another superhero team, it’s another goddamn superhero team. There is something wrong with me, why do I do this to myself? These are really hard. But, yeah, that was an inspiration for me to go, all right, there’s something bigger here. So I don’t know what’ll happen with [the comic]. If they cancel each other out, I don’t know yet,” Whedon said.

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    • #32
      https://www.polygon.com/tv/2018/7/24...nevers-details

      Joss Whedon’s brand new show — other than the reported Buffy reboot — is The Nevers, a new HBO series about “a gang of Victorian women who find themselves with unusual abilities, relentless enemies, and a mission that might change the world.”

      Polygon got a chance to sit down with Whedon during San Diego Comic-Con 2018, where he was promoting his upcoming Dr. Horrible one-shot for Dark Horse, and asked him to open up a bit more about the mysterious Nevers. With the Victorian setting, was the title maybe a reference to Peter Pan?

      “I can easily shoot that down,” the writer/director answered. “I dislike Peter Pan enormously as a myth and as a story. I am not a Peter Pan man,” he joked.

      “It’s more meant to evoke the sort of attitude of ... these women have certain afflictions or abilities or skills. Something is changing, something more than just the end of the century, and it feels odd and it feels terrifying to some.”

      Whedon says that the main characters are never called “the Nevers” within the story, it’s simply the name of the show. “To me it spoke very plainly to the idea of we are upsetting your idea of what is and what is allowed.”

      Fantastical characters but not in a fantastical world, or a world that was not fantastical yet, it seemed to us. He agreed.

      “It’s gotten a little strange in the last few years,” he added. “Sometime around 1895 it started getting a little warped. And now there seems to be a gathering and a purpose and a very strong reaction about that.”

      The Nevers is an upcoming series from HBO, and does not currently have a release date.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Priceless View Post
        https://www.polygon.com/tv/2018/7/24...nevers-details

        Joss Whedon’s brand new show — other than the reported Buffy reboot — is The Nevers, a new HBO series about “a gang of Victorian women who find themselves with unusual abilities, relentless enemies, and a mission that might change the world.”

        Polygon got a chance to sit down with Whedon during San Diego Comic-Con 2018, where he was promoting his upcoming Dr. Horrible one-shot for Dark Horse, and asked him to open up a bit more about the mysterious Nevers. With the Victorian setting, was the title maybe a reference to Peter Pan?

        “I can easily shoot that down,” the writer/director answered. “I dislike Peter Pan enormously as a myth and as a story. I am not a Peter Pan man,” he joked.

        “It’s more meant to evoke the sort of attitude of ... these women have certain afflictions or abilities or skills. Something is changing, something more than just the end of the century, and it feels odd and it feels terrifying to some.”

        Whedon says that the main characters are never called “the Nevers” within the story, it’s simply the name of the show. “To me it spoke very plainly to the idea of we are upsetting your idea of what is and what is allowed.”

        Fantastical characters but not in a fantastical world, or a world that was not fantastical yet, it seemed to us. He agreed.

        “It’s gotten a little strange in the last few years,” he added. “Sometime around 1895 it started getting a little warped. And now there seems to be a gathering and a purpose and a very strong reaction about that.”

        The Nevers is an upcoming series from HBO, and does not currently have a release date.
        So...Fin de Siecle? "The "spirit" of fin de siècle often refers to the cultural hallmarks that were recognized as prominent in the 1880s and 1890s, including ennui, cynicism, pessimism, and "...a widespread belief that civilization leads to decadence." Sound like Whedon? Suffragists? SteamPunk?
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        • #34
          Originally posted by TriBel View Post
          So...Fin de Siecle? "The "spirit" of fin de siècle often refers to the cultural hallmarks that were recognized as prominent in the 1880s and 1890s, including ennui, cynicism, pessimism, and "...a widespread belief that civilization leads to decadence." Sound like Whedon? Suffragists? SteamPunk?
          I've never been under the impression that Joss has much of a grasp on history. If he did, he'd know that things got interesting, by any definition, well before 1895. There were people writing books about how dangerous all this steam power and city livin' was in the 1840s. The fin de siècle just made it more fashionable for the respectable classes to admit to living for the moment.

          Personally, I'd be more interested in a show set in the earlier period. Maybe because the technology makes the fin de siècle/Belle Époque feel somewhat familiar, maybe because people like the aesthetic, there's already a surfeit of navel-gazing, BIG-THEME characters from that period. (See: Penny Dreadful.) It'd be fresher to show the shift in attitudes of the early 19th century, or people rebelling against those attitudes during their greatest entrenchment in the 1840s-60s. Regardless, I don't envy any historical consultants working on a Joss Whedon show.

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          • #35
            https://www.screendaily.com/news/des...133747.article

            Long article, but contains a tiny bit about The Nevers

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            • #36
              Is it his last chance? No. Is he losing the public's affection with every project he releases? Yes. I think Joss' credentials as a feminist creator are almost over. People don't buy into it anymore after Black Widow's treatment and his own personal treatment towards his wife. So taking on ANOTHER 'Feminist' project after that is either brave or stupid. I hope it works out for him. I still very much believe in his ability to tell a good story despite Networks (FOX) not giving it a chance.

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              • #37
                All said regarding writers, producers, actors, directors, viewers, readers, etc. are what I remember, my opinions, etc.




                Originally posted by Josh View Post
                Is it his last chance? No. Is he losing the public's affection with every project he releases? Yes. I think Joss' credentials as a feminist creator are almost over. People don't buy into it anymore after Black Widow's treatment and his own personal treatment towards his wife. So taking on ANOTHER 'Feminist' project after that is either brave or stupid. I hope it works out for him. I still very much believe in his ability to tell a good story despite Networks (FOX) not giving it a chance.
                I've always considered FOX gets too much hate regarding how Joss Whedon fans regard FOX's treatment of Firefly and Dollhouse . Joss got a $20MM production deal from 20th Century Fox and that I remember became Firefly . Firefly was low rated and Joss focused on it to the detriment of BtVS S7.

                Dollhouse was low rated and it got a second season to please the viewers and Joss Whedon.


                The hate toward Joss Whedon after The Avengers 2 and after Justice League is telling and troubling. Kevin Feige and/or Marvel generally are responsible for the badness of The Avengers 2 . The Black Widow stuff is beyond ridiculous given Joss Whedon 'made her a character' in the first place. In Iron Man 2 , she's literally introduced as an underwear model and how she looks in underwear is why Tony Stark is interested in her. And she's barely important in IM 2 . Scarlett Johansson has probably made over $80-100MM that she wouldn't have if Joss hadn't 'made her a character' in The Avengers .

                Justice League was already a mess before Joss was hired.

                Joss cheated on his wife. That makes him not a feminist?

                Buffy is still the go-to for 'strong female character'. BtVS is still in popular culture. BtVS is Joss Whedon's legacy, as well as The Avengers .

                Few have had as much impact on popular culture as Joss Whedon has.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Josh View Post
                  Is it his last chance? No. Is he losing the public's affection with every project he releases? Yes. I think Joss' credentials as a feminist creator are almost over. People don't buy into it anymore after Black Widow's treatment and his own personal treatment towards his wife. So taking on ANOTHER 'Feminist' project after that is either brave or stupid. I hope it works out for him. I still very much believe in his ability to tell a good story despite Networks (FOX) not giving it a chance.
                  I have said it before. The #metoo movement has rightfully brought down some of the Hollywood elite men. Now is the time to speak out. When a single woman comes forward and says she feels used, abused, or was in any way coerced I will join the protest against Joss.

                  The fact that Kai decided to go online and publicize his infidelity years after their separation and divorce - despite the fact that their two young children would have to deal with the consequences = strikes me as child abuse. The fact that she categorizes some of the relations ships as emotional affairs (close friendships) is highly questionable. Frankly, right about now I support Joss for not retaliating.

                  Yes, feminism has changed in the last 20 years, and Joss probably has not changed with it. But I am not ready to decry him based on the dubious complaints f his angry ex.
                  Can we agree that the writers made everyone do and say everything with a thought to getting good ratings and being renewed. This includes everything we love as well as everything we hate.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Josh View Post
                    Is it his last chance? No. Is he losing the public's affection with every project he releases? Yes. I think Joss' credentials as a feminist creator are almost over. People don't buy into it anymore after Black Widow's treatment and his own personal treatment towards his wife. So taking on ANOTHER 'Feminist' project after that is either brave or stupid. I hope it works out for him. I still very much believe in his ability to tell a good story despite Networks (FOX) not giving it a chance.
                    Joss's cred in that area was in the gutter long before Black Widow or Kai's letter. It didn't stop him from getting the biggest franchise since Star Wars or Justice League or getting this pushed straight to order, probably at the impetus of AT&T. He's a brand and that's all they care about now, hence the constant reboots, remakes and revivals.

                    I don't think too many buy Joss as a feminist anymore, so if that's their selling point for it, they're in for trouble.

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                    • #40
                      Whedonesque just tweeted - According to Production Weekly, Jane Espenson is a showrunner on Joss Whedon's The Nevers on HBO. In related news, Laurie Penny tweeted earlier this week that she was a staff writer on the show.

                      I'm torn, because I like Espenson's work, but am not a fan of Laurie Penny

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Priceless View Post
                        Whedonesque just tweeted - According to Production Weekly, Jane Espenson is a showrunner on Joss Whedon's The Nevers on HBO. In related news, Laurie Penny tweeted earlier this week that she was a staff writer on the show.

                        I'm torn, because I like Espenson's work, but am not a fan of Laurie Penny
                        And that, my friend, is the epitome of a first world problem.

                        Not contributing then?

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by TriBel View Post
                          And that, my friend, is the epitome of a first world problem.

                          Not contributing then?

                          https://www.patreon.com/lauriepenny
                          Err . . . no, I think my money is best spent otherwhere

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Priceless View Post
                            Err . . . no, I think my money is best spent otherwhere
                            Do I lose all credibility if I say I had to Google her (Penny - not Espenson)? Once I'd done that, I could understand your predicament. Still Espenson and Whedon - two out of three ain't bad (I nearly linked to the MeatLoaf song but it made me feel old ).
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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by TriBel View Post
                              Do I lose all credibility if I say I had to Google her (Penny - not Espenson)? Once I'd done that, I could understand your predicament. Still Espenson and Whedon - two out of three ain't bad (I nearly linked to the MeatLoaf song but it made me feel old ).
                              Oh no, I love that you didn't know who Penny is . . . she says silly things on twitter that get my back up, so I wish I didn't know her either. Espenson only tweets about tea and writing and animals and I like her

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                              • #45
                                Had to google her.

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