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  • #16
    Sex & The City, The Wire and The Soprano's were all great shows. Out of their current shows I also absolutely loved Big Little Lies and I have heard great things about Westworld but I haven't got around to watching it yet. I've always thought Joss should have went to a cable instead of another network. If this news had come out several years ago I'd have been very excited, but I was more confident of his writing back then. What I'm interested to see is if Joss can finally get past his show's starting off weakly and if he can actually come right out of the gate with strong episodes. Frankly, audiences simply don't have the patience for sticking with a show anymore if it isn't good from the beginning and nor should they have to. There's a certain expectation with cable shows that I'll be interested to see if he can live up to.
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    • #17
      Originally posted by vampmogs View Post
      Sex & The City, The Wire and The Soprano's were all great shows. Out of their current shows I also absolutely loved Big Little Lies and I have heard great things about Westworld but I haven't got around to watching it yet. I've always thought Joss should have went to a cable instead of another network. If this news had come out several years ago I'd have been very excited, but I was more confident of his writing back then. What I'm interested to see is if Joss can finally get past his show's starting off weakly and if he can actually come right out of the gate with strong episodes. Frankly, audiences simply don't have the patience for sticking with a show anymore if it isn't good from the beginning and nor should they have to. There's a certain expectation with cable shows that I'll be interested to see if he can live up to.
      The Leftovers was also a great show (under incredibly underrated and under-promoted).

      I think it's True Blood and Game of Thrones that have given HBO the reputation in many people's eyes of a network that relies too much on T&A and shock value.
      You keep waiting for the dust to settle and then you realize it; the dust is your life going on. If happy comes along - that weird unbearable delight that's actual happy - I think you have to grab it while you can. You take what you can get, 'cause it's here, and then...gone.

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      • #18
        I've always thought people took True Blood way more seriously than the show did itself. It was a campy and greatly OTT and it knew it. It's first season actually was very, very good but the show never really pretended to be something it wasn't.
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        • #19
          Does anybody else think, that this is his last chance?

          I do hope he surprises us all (in a positive way).

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          • #20
            Originally posted by flow View Post
            Does anybody else think, that this is his last chance?

            I do hope he surprises us all (in a positive way).

            flow
            Last chance? No. But he needs to show he isn't creatively burned out and out of inspiration, which has seemed to be the case in the last few years.
            You keep waiting for the dust to settle and then you realize it; the dust is your life going on. If happy comes along - that weird unbearable delight that's actual happy - I think you have to grab it while you can. You take what you can get, 'cause it's here, and then...gone.

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            • #21
              He just needs to do something different. If he just relies on the same character archetypes he always does then it'll just be derivative. People have caught onto the fact that he recycles the same types of characters again in all his shows and doesn't appear to know how to write anybody different. I also hope he really scales back on the Whedon-isms and remembers how to write good dialogue again. In Buffy it never felt forced when the characters spoke in "Buffy Speak" and not every single line was a setup for a joke or a punch line. In his MCU scripts, particularly Age of Ultron and most definitely his pilot of Agents of Shield, the Whedon-isms felt so forced and were incredibly noticeable and distracting. I also hope that he isn't so arrogant that he won't take on board criticisms of his writing because a lot of them are valid. No, I don't agree with the things people got offended over in his Age of Ultron script, but his Wonder Woman script was legitimately really sexist and awful and I agree that his idea of an "empowered woman" is stale and dated at this point. I think he got way too happy with himself, probably fuelled by this "Joss is God" mentality a lot of his fanbase had for years, and it seemed like he is way too dismissive of criticisms against him. I hope some of it's finally got through to him. Not only because I think his POV should have evolved by now but because I think he got incredibly lazy in his plotting and world-building at the expense of writing "what he cared about" and thought he could get away with it because people would just love it no matter what.

              The main negative predictions I've seen people make about the show is that it's just going to be a bunch of "waif-like" white women in bonnets with superpowers and that at least one of them will be incredibly mentally damaged/possibly insane. I think whether or not this is Whedon's last chance really depends on if he can actually surprise people and do the unexpected.
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              • #22
                I think he's mostly used up at this point, I'll be honest. I will probably check out first episode since I already sub HBO, but not out of an astounding degree of damns given.
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                • #23
                  Ten years ago I would've been excited about this but now? Meh. I don't even what happened, it's, like, I don't have the patience/attention span to watch TV shows anymore. I'd rather play video games, noodle on guitar or just browse the internet and listen to music. Can't really explain it, honestly.

                  True Detective
                  That was the last show I've seen in full. I thought it was absolute trash. It was just so boring and bland and pander-y? People accuse teen-dramas and whatnot of pandering to teenage girls (as if there's something wrong with that) but when the pandered to are American middle-aged dudes it's suddenly high art and golden age of television. It's bullshit.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by vampmogs View Post
                    He just needs to do something different. If he just relies on the same character archetypes he always does then it'll just be derivative. People have caught onto the fact that he recycles the same types of characters again in all his shows and doesn't appear to know how to write anybody different. I also hope he really scales back on the Whedon-isms and remembers how to write good dialogue again. In Buffy it never felt forced when the characters spoke in "Buffy Speak" and not every single line was a setup for a joke or a punch line. In his MCU scripts, particularly Age of Ultron and most definitely his pilot of Agents of Shield, the Whedon-isms felt so forced and were incredibly noticeable and distracting. I also hope that he isn't so arrogant that he won't take on board criticisms of his writing because a lot of them are valid. No, I don't agree with the things people got offended over in his Age of Ultron script, but his Wonder Woman script was legitimately really sexist and awful and I agree that his idea of an "empowered woman" is stale and dated at this point. I think he got way too happy with himself, probably fuelled by this "Joss is God" mentality a lot of his fanbase had for years, and it seemed like he is way too dismissive of criticisms against him. I hope some of it's finally got through to him. Not only because I think his POV should have evolved by now but because I think he got incredibly lazy in his plotting and world-building at the expense of writing "what he cared about" and thought he could get away with it because people would just love it no matter what.

                    The main negative predictions I've seen people make about the show is that it's just going to be a bunch of "waif-like" white women in bonnets with superpowers and that at least one of them will be incredibly mentally damaged/possibly insane. I think whether or not this is Whedon's last chance really depends on if he can actually surprise people and do the unexpected.
                    So... if we strike the "bonnets" part, just like at least half of current superhero/supernatural/SciFi shows with prominent female roles? (Depending on one's definition of "waif-like", that is. But people tend to use it in a very broad sense to mean any thin woman in Hollywood... and that's the majority of actresses in Hollywood.)
                    You keep waiting for the dust to settle and then you realize it; the dust is your life going on. If happy comes along - that weird unbearable delight that's actual happy - I think you have to grab it while you can. You take what you can get, 'cause it's here, and then...gone.

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                    • #25
                      From the sounds of it, there will be lots of roles for women, so I am hoping there will be a lot of different colours, ages, sizes, shapes and sexualities. In fact I'm pretty sure of it in today's climate. I doubt a modern show could be made without a cross section of society represented

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                      • #26
                        I'll give Nevers a chance, hell I'll even watch Pippa Smith. I secretly wished Dollhouse had been made on HBO with a different actress as Echo and James Marsters as an older Doll. So I'm excited to see what nonsense Joss will come up with next. If its bad I can just MST the crap out of it.

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                        • #27
                          I never watched anything of Joss after Angel. Which, to be frank, I haven't even particularly enjoyed. Are his other works worth of watching?

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by TriBel View Post
                            So...The Wire wasn't decent to good? Similarly, The Sopranos?
                            Which premiered first, those shows or SFU's finale?

                            There once was a time when HBO always delivered good content. You had Sopranos, The Wire (early seasons), SFU, Spawn, Lifestories, comedy specials and on and on. Rarely were there misses. Now, for every The Night Of, there's a Newsroom or Hung or Ballers or Vinyl. Only from HBO would something like Newsroom or GoT get nominations much less win. Their mantra now is throw a ton of money at production and hope people are too swept away by the set pieces to notice the gaps. It works, so I guess I shouldn't fault them too hard.

                            HBO still kicks out good stuff from time to time but they are not what they used to be back when they had to work for recognition. Just like Joss. There are sparks of his old self in his recent work. The Superman video at the beginning of Justice League is the best part of the movie, bad CGI aside. Same with the hammer scene in Ultron. He's still capable in brief flashes of his old self. But for both those scenes, there's the rest of those movies which were stale and sucky.

                            This concept just sounds like BTVS S8 set in the 1800s. I actually like the original concept of Twist, some young woman turning to a Victorian Batman to ward off badness. That was intriguing and possibly different. From this new synopsis, it sounds like standard Joss. A band of superpowered girls on the run from bad guys, probably because they have powers and are thus dangerous. Only in corsets.

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                            • #29
                              I'll check this out.The only Joss Whedon thing I couldn't get into was Firefly/Serenity.

                              Buffy,Angel,Dollhouse,Agent Of Shield(I know his brother and sister-in-law run that but he did co-create it),even Dr. Horrible I all enjoyed.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Alce View Post
                                I never watched anything of Joss after Angel. Which, to be frank, I haven't even particularly enjoyed. Are his other works worth of watching?
                                Might wanna check out Firefly!

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