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  • #16
    Just aheads up, the Slayerfest podcast people's latest review is 'Pangs' and has writer Jane Espenson as a guest to talk about it.

    https://soundcloud.com/user-30221024...n-thanksgiving

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Silver1 View Post
      Just aheads up, the Slayerfest podcast people's latest review is 'Pangs' and has writer Jane Espenson as a guest to talk about it.

      https://soundcloud.com/user-30221024...n-thanksgiving
      I've just listened to it. Jane Espenson is such a good communicator. She pulled up her original script and they talked about the changes that were made by the time they shot the episode. It was really interesting. I'd never heard her talk before and I wonder why she did this podcast and not any of the thousand that are out there. Very enjoyable, thanks for the recommendation Silver1

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      Originally posted by flow View Post
      Yes, I have listened to the podcast. I thouht, sigyn was very focused, she got straight to the heart of things. She voiced her opinion very clearly and came across as an intelligent person. I think, that the hosts were a bit overwhelmed with talking with her and about Pet and I am not sure, if this fic was the right one for them. Theyy seemed to be a bit perplex or flabbergasted.

      I was very grateful for sigyn talking about evil Spikes development and how he closed himself off of the evil he was doing. She was referring to a line in Destiny, where he says, he never looked back at the victims. That really helped me to understand her evil Spike so much better.

      I wish, she could have talked a bit about other stories as well, but there was obviously not enough time. I also was surprised, that she has published original novels and I wish, she would have mentioned the titles or her author name. But I guess, she wanted to protect her anonymity ? Oh, and I was impressed, how bravely and openly she talked about her depression.

      Yes, I was really impressed. Kudos to sigyn

      flow
      She did say she was on EF and people could contact her there, so I am sure she'd talk about her original work if asked. I'm just really happy she didn't leave the fandom as she thought she would. I thought she was really interesting, and forthright.

      I'd agree the reviewers seemed out of their depth, but they are very young I think (thought one of them is soon to be married, I feel like saying wait another 10 years!) I think they prefer 'romantic' or 'adventure' fics, rather than those that are trying to address issues or character psychology.

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      • #18
        ve just listened to it. Jane Espenson is such a good communicator. She pulled up her original script and they talked about the changes that were made by the time they shot the episode. It was really interesting.
        It was good wasn't it. And I even learnt a few more things about the series I didn't know before.

        I met Jane at a Buffy convention years back and she was so, so nice. She did a live commentary on Pangs which was wonderful. I ended up not only being a
        fan of her writing but her as a person.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Silver1 View Post
          It was good wasn't it. And I even learnt a few more things about the series I didn't know before.

          I met Jane at a Buffy convention years back and she was so, so nice. She did a live commentary on Pangs which was wonderful. I ended up not only being a
          fan of her writing but her as a person.
          I am jealous that you have met her, I am in awe of her talent. I do follow her on twitter (not quite the same lol) and she seems such a lovely person

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          • #20
            Buffy podcast Pop Culture Role Call is a very interesting approach to watching/rewatching the series. You got four commenters, each one is watching from a character’s POV. The Buffy POV and Willow POV are newbies.

            I love the Xander POV guy (Yeah, yeah, big surprise!) poor thing is trying so hard to defend Xander while the two newbies really, really, really dislike him.

            Anyway, I was listening to their Prophecy Girl podcast, and they were discussing when Xander went to Angel’s apartment so that he’d take him to the Master. Of course, only the Xander POV guy watched the scene and he was telling the others what happened in the scene. He mentions Xander holding a cross at Angel’s face and the newbies flipped out. Why would Xander point a cross at Angel’s face??? He’s so petty and Angel is a good guy…. and I was patiently waiting for the Xander POV guy to explain, but he never did!!!

            This is how the scene played out: Xander asked Angel to take him to the Master to save Buffy, Angel responded by mocking and belittling Xander, when Xander realized that Angel wouldn’t help him, he used the cross! That scene was an awesome Xander scene, but because the Xander POV guy left out the little detail, it turned into another “Xander is a stupid ass” scene. Sigh.
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            • #21
              Originally posted by Sosa lola View Post
              Buffy podcast Pop Culture Role Call is a very interesting approach to watching/rewatching the series. You got four commenters, each one is watching from a character’s POV. The Buffy POV and Willow POV are newbies.

              I love the Xander POV guy (Yeah, yeah, big surprise!) poor thing is trying so hard to defend Xander while the two newbies really, really, really dislike him.

              Anyway, I was listening to their Prophecy Girl podcast, and they were discussing when Xander went to Angel’s apartment so that he’d take him to the Master. Of course, only the Xander POV guy watched the scene and he was telling the others what happened in the scene. He mentions Xander holding a cross at Angel’s face and the newbies flipped out. Why would Xander point a cross at Angel’s face??? He’s so petty and Angel is a good guy…. and I was patiently waiting for the Xander POV guy to explain, but he never did!!!

              This is how the scene played out: Xander asked Angel to take him to the Master to save Buffy, Angel responded by mocking and belittling Xander, when Xander realized that Angel wouldn’t help him, he used the cross! That scene was an awesome Xander scene, but because the Xander POV guy left out the little detail, it turned into another “Xander is a stupid ass” scene. Sigh.
              That's a very interesting way to approach watching the show. Are the people actually fans of the characters they are pov-ing? To do it justice, they really do need to be fans to fight their characters corner. I'll definitely give it a listen, though they don't sound very open minded.

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              • #22
                I don't listen to Podcasts. I don't generally like Podcasts. I lie - I listen to Welcome to Nightvale but Welcome to Nightvale isn't a podcast - it's a recipe for life! I don't listen to Podcasts or read "Metas" because, more often than not, there's a bias in them and I'm not used to reading material that's biased. Academic essays can be dry but I'm never left thinking they prefer one character over another. And God forbid they'd hate a character!

                I met Jane at a Buffy convention years back and she was so, so nice. She did a live commentary on Pangs which was wonderful. I ended up not only being a
                fan of her writing but her as a person.
                I like Jane Espenson! I don't think fans realise just how clever she is (I hate it when fans claim writers are stupid. The writers, poets etc I work with are lots of things but stupid they ain't!). She worked with George Lakoff at Berkeley and he credits her with some of his ideas on metaphor. He also mentions her in his later book "Philosophy in the Flesh: The Embodied Mind and Its Challenge to Western Thought". IMO, "the embodied mind" is what we see in S7. I'd like to meet her (not saying it would be reciprocated - I'd probably bore her to death...sigh,
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                • #23
                  I don't listen to Podcasts. I don't generally like Podcasts. I lie - I listen to Welcome to Nightvale but Welcome to Nightvale isn't a podcast - it's a recipe for life! I don't listen to Podcasts or read "Metas" because, more often than not, there's a bias in them and I'm not used to reading material that's biased. Academic essays can be dry but I'm never left thinking they prefer one character over another. And God forbid they'd hate a character!
                  I tend to listen to EVERY podcast and then just stop listening once they start saying things that I completely disagree with They are incredibly biased. Very few of the reviewers seem to be real fans of the show, and some can't even remember what happened from one episode to the next. But sometimes someone will say something you'd never thought of before, or present a character in a different light, and then it's interesting. I like Buffering because it's very queer-eyed and they obviously love the show and create great songs for each episode.

                  I like Jane Espenson! I don't think fans realise just how clever she is (I hate it when fans claim writers are stupid. The writers, poets etc I work with are lots of things but stupid they ain't!). She worked with George Lakoff at Berkeley and he credits her with some of his ideas on metaphor. He also mentions her in his later book "Philosophy in the Flesh: The Embodied Mind and Its Challenge to Western Thought". IMO, "the embodied mind" is what we see in S7. I'd like to meet her (not saying it would be reciprocated - I'd probably bore her to death...sigh,
                  I would pay to hear you and Jane Espenson chatting over a cup of coffee! I probably would only understand every third word, but I'd love it. She is so clever, her writing is witty and charming and she obviously loves all the characters and I feel like she truly knows them and wants us to understand them and their motives as well as she understands them

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Priceless View Post
                    That's a very interesting way to approach watching the show. Are the people actually fans of the characters they are pov-ing? To do it justice, they really do need to be fans to fight their characters corner. I'll definitely give it a listen, though they don't sound very open minded.
                    The Buffy POV and Willow POV people are newbies watching the show for the first time so they don't really know what's gonna happen. I loved how confused they were while watching The Zeppo. Since they didn't see any of the Xander parts, they were really confused. Also, the Buffy POV while watching BB&B while Buffy was turned into a rat.
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                    • #25
                      Lani Diane Rich (Still Pretty podcast) has said once she finished S7 she's starting from the beginning again. That's absolutely made my life. I used to listen to her and her-now-ex on Dusted, and he always seemed to drown her out, so I am so happy she's going to get to say all those things about the show she never got to say before

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                      Originally posted by Sosa lola View Post
                      The Buffy POV and Willow POV people are newbies watching the show for the first time so they don't really know what's gonna happen. I loved how confused they were while watching The Zeppo. Since they didn't see any of the Xander parts, they were really confused. Also, the Buffy POV while watching BB&B while Buffy was turned into a rat.
                      How can they review the whole episode if they don't know what's going on! I have to listen to this podcast because it just sounds weird

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                      • #26
                        POTNĀ“s review for A New Man is up on YouTube:

                        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BONc...9lXQ3&index=13

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                        • #27
                          Buffering the Vampire Slayer's review of Enemies is just brilliant, I was laughing out loud. If you are a fuffy fan and/or like making fun of Angel, you are missing out if you are not listening to this podcast

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                          If you are an Angel fan I'll admit once Buffiering turn their humour onto Spike in later seasons I may not be such a big fan, just saying my bias might start to show

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Silver1 View Post
                            Just aheads up, the Slayerfest podcast people's latest review is 'Pangs' and has writer Jane Espenson as a guest to talk about it.

                            https://soundcloud.com/user-30221024...n-thanksgiving
                            I am at this very moment listening to it and it is so interesting to hear Jane Espenson talk about how scenes were changed in the production process and how detailed the episode Pangs was planned out by Joss, before the writers started writing. Thank you so much for the link !

                            ETA: I also found it really interesting, how she described her thorough research about the Chumash. She even drove, to where they lived and went to a museum and talked to people. And then she had no time left, for any research about the place, where Riley was born and raised. That is why, he is from Iowa, because that is, where she is from herself and she didn`t have to research that ;-)

                            ETA (again): There was another comment, I found interesting. I have often read, that Spike was made a member of the main cast, because Cordy, who had been the one, who threw the truth in everybodies face, had left the Show. I think, even JM himself has said something like that somwhere. But Jane Espenson clearly states in that podcast, that Anya was the substitute for Cordy, which makes a lot of sense, because Anya`s straightforwardness is very similiar to Cordy`s.

                            I was also listening today to After Show Reacts (to) Lovers Walk and I want to recommend it to evryone here, who is a Spike-fan. Her enthsudiasm about Spike reappearing is very sweet.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Priceless View Post
                              If you are an Angel fan I'll admit once Buffiering turn their humour onto Spike in later seasons I may not be such a big fan, just saying my bias might start to show
                              Kristin has said that Spike is her favorite character, so I have high hopes. <3

                              Buffering is my favorite Buffy podcast. I'm also a big fan of Still Pretty and everything Lani Diane Rich does. She is starting an Angel podcast, too, called Still Dead.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by kimothyschma View Post
                                Kristin has said that Spike is her favorite character, so I have high hopes. <3

                                Buffering is my favorite Buffy podcast. I'm also a big fan of Still Pretty and everything Lani Diane Rich does. She is starting an Angel podcast, too, called Still Dead.
                                I knew Kristin had great taste Buffering is a great podcast, I love 'detective Angel' so much it makes me laugh out loud everytime. The music is amazing too. They are both so funny and talented.

                                Lani Diane Rich is such a good communicator. I don't agree with everything she says, but I love listening to her, she's intelligent and enthusiastic. She said recently that once she finishes Still Pretty she's going to start from the begining again, which makes me very happy. I used to listen to Dusted and felt Alistair had a tendency to talk over Lani and I can't wait to just hear her opinions without them being filtered through him.

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                                I was also listening today to After Show Reacts (to) Lovers Walk and I want to recommend it to evryone here, who is a Spike-fan. Her enthsudiasm about Spike reappearing is very sweet.
                                Watched this. She is very sweet, and it's nice to know she'd missed Spike as much as the rest of us did

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