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    So I was thinking today about my own personal canon and how I imagine things that are never canonically stated in the text. For instance, in AtS S4 Faith is attacked in prison by an inmate called "Deb" who is wielding a Bringer knife. Now, it's quite obvious that the First sent her to kill Faith but the actress who plays Deb is actually the same actress who plays Patrice, the Order of Taraka assassin who opens fire in Sunnydale High in BtVS S2. My own personal canon is that Patrice and Deb are actually infact the same person and that the First hired a Taraka assassin to take out Faith. It is never stated in the text but IMO it makes a lot of sense and is more fun than pretending that the two characters just share an uncanny resemblance.

    I also quite like the idea that Cecily was in fact Halfrek in Fool For Love and that she was on official vengeance business. We're never told if she was meant to have been turned into a vengeance demon after those events or if William had been fancying a demon all along. It's more interesting to me if it was simply Halfrek infiltrating high society much the same way Anya infiltrated Sunnydale High and transformed herself into a teenage girl (with the hormones and feelings to boot).

    Other brief things include;

    - Spike's leather duster was boxed up in the school basement (Get it Done) because Buffy held onto it after he left it on her banister in Seeing Red, and she returned it to him at some point in S7 when he was crazy and living underneath Sunnydale High.

    - In Restless, during Buffy's dream she opens up an old leather bag which has the primordial ooze inside of it. Buffy paints it on her face which represents the primal Slayer/demon inside of her. This leather bag looks almost identical to Nikki Wood's leather bag in Get It Done which contained the origin story of the First Slayer (the shadow puppets) and was meant to be a Slayer keepsake and passed down through the generations. It's my personal canon that it is in fact the same bag and that Buffy was dreaming of the keepsake which would reveal where her power came from. It's simply too symbolic for me to think of it as just a coincidence, although I know it probably was.

    - Giles had to do a de-invite spell on his house in Passion to prevent Angelus from getting inside, even though there was never a scene nor was it referenced that Angel had ever been to Giles house. It's my personal canon that after Angel obtained the Codex for Giles in Out of Mind, Out of Sight the two kept in touch (hence Giles having his phone number in Prophecy Girl) and that Angel probably visited the house over the Summer of S1-S2.

    - I think it was NileQT87 that came up with this one, but I really love it and consider it my personal canon too. The reason Darla dresses up as a schoolgirl in BtVS S1 is because she was already aware that Angel was in town and stalking a high school girl (Buffy) and dressed up as one because she was jealous and/or to mock him.

    - The government agency that takes Marcie Ross away (and trains her to be an assassin) is part of the same department responsible for The Initiative – which is of course inspired by the Nazi’s own similar program as revealed in Why We Fight.

    - Angel uses Judy's stolen money in Are You Now Or Have You Ever Been to help purchase the Hyperion Hotel. He finds it down in the basement and as far as I can recall we're never told what he did with it.

    - It was revealed in AtS S4 that it had been Evil!Cordy's plan all along to manipulate the gang into bringing Angelus back and then to release him from the cage. However, it was never clarified how she motivated the gang to do this other than the faux visions of The Beast/Angelus in the past. Fred's explanation for why Angelus could remember The Beast but not Angel never made any sense because she claimed that Angel's memory was wiped when all references to The Beast were banished from this dimension, but Angelus's weren't since his mind "wasn't present" when the spell took place. Since Angel and Angelus share the same mind and memories that is illogical. My personal canon is that Evil!Cordy did a spell to rob Angel of his memories so the gang would want Angelus back, and then once they took away his soul Evil!Cordy broke the spell so that Angelus could remember again. At least then it makes sense and we're given an explanation for how Evil!Cordy managed to manipulate the whole thing in the first place.

    - Dawn generally feels neglected and ignored by the gang, especially in S5, and my personal canon has always been that she feels like she hasn't affected anything because she literally hasn't. The writers always made it so that the monks changed as little about the past 4 seasons as possible so I love the idea that Dawn was inserted into the past 4 years without playing a major role in anything that happened. It explains why Dawn feels so ignored because in her memories she really wasn't significant in anybody's life and it also explains why straight after the spell in Real Me Dawn starts bugging Buffy immensely, as if because Buffy intuitively feels something is wrong because whilst she has memories of Dawn it's the first time Dawn is actually affecting the narrative in anyway.

    - In Ted, Ted threatens Buffy that she'll spend her best dating years "behind the wall of a mental institution" right before Buffy beats the shit out of him. It's always been my personal canon that Joyce had told Ted about the time Buffy spent in the asylum (as referenced in Normal Again) and that part of the reason Buffy loses her temper so much in that scene is because his threat triggers that horribly traumatic experience for her and sends her into a fit of rage. I’m generally not a fan of that retcon in Normal Again because there are too many instances in the earlier seasons where Buffy referenced Vampire Slaying and Joyce barely reacted at all, but in Ted it actually works.

    I also have person canon relating to the comics as well. For instance, in AtS S5 Giles tells Angel that Willow is unavailable to help with Fred/Illyria because she is on another astral plan. In S8’s Goddesses and Monsters Willow goes on a magical quest to understand her power which exists in a dimension/plane separate to ours. Now, it’s never specified when exactly Willow goes on this quest only that the story takes place sometime between Chosen and The Long Way Home so it’s certainly possible that it happened around the same time as Shells when Angel tried to reach her. We’re also never shown Willow telling Giles about her quest but I could easily imagine her doing so or having Kennedy relay that information to him instead. Although Joss never explicitly draws a connection between the two I do wonder if this what he was hinting at so it’s pretty much my personal canon that the two are connected.

    I also believe that the two women going out with Andrew in TGIQ are in fact Slayers from his squad. I know this is a popular theory amongst many S8 readers after the reveal that the “Buffy” in Rome was in fact a decoy Slayer and Andrew was tricking Angel and Spike the entire time. Although it’s never confirmed in the books it’s more than likely that those two women were Slayers from the Rome Squad and I’m sure Joss wouldn’t mind as he’s on the record of being unhappy with that scene. Originally it was meant to be both a boy and a girl on Andrew’s arm to keep his sexuality ambiguous so at least this way it makes more sense. Also, Angel's spy wasn't knocked out by one of The Immortal's goons but in fact by a Slayer who saw him tailing the Decoy.

    That's all I can think of right now but I'm sure I have more. Does anybody else have their own personal canon?

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    My own personal canon also has Cecily as Halfrek who D'Hoffryn recruited because she was such a bitch who had a natural ability to find the worst way to hurt, so when we see her in William's sphere she is just her natural unlovable self, pre demon.

    I like the idea that Buffy held on to Spike's duster with my Spuffy hat on but my personal canon was that Buffy took it over to Clem to keep with Spike's other stuff and the box was handed over to him when he was found in the basement. But not necessarily by Buffy, Clem probably took it over.

    My canon re: Darla's outfit in S1 was simply to lure school boys and because she knew The Master liked them young.

    I am sure that I have loads but I've never really thought about it. I am rewatching at the moment and am only at S2 so I am sure I will be reminded of some as I go along. The only thing I can think of at the moment is that I always worked on the assumption that Giles had some sort of agreement to have library 'helpers' and it was under this assumption that his relationship and the amount of time he spent with the Scoobs was accepted.

    Oh, I have also always worked on the basis that Hank Summers ended up in a relationship with someone probably not too dissimilar in age to Buffy and that this made him uncomfortable for being judged and him not liking seeing the two 'girls' side by side, so he ended up breaking away from his daughter(s), probably with the urging of said girlfriend.

    But neither of these are particularly interesting ones. I will look out for them.

    I love the canon characterisation about Dawn btw, that works brilliantly.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by Stoney View Post
      Oh, I have also always worked on the basis that Hank Summers ended up in a relationship with someone probably not too dissimilar in age to Buffy and that this made him uncomfortable for being judged and him not liking seeing the two 'girls' side by side, so he ended up breaking away from his daughter(s), probably with the urging of said girlfriend.
      In Family Buffy tells Giles that Hank has run off to Spain with his secretary so you're probably not that far off the mark. And in CWDP she tells Holden that she thinks Hank cheated on Joyce so not only would it be awkward having, as Randy would say, a tarty step mum half daddy's age, but his daughters would be faced with the other woman too!

      I've always thought that Hank grew more distant as he became more frustrated with Buffy. The last time he appears is in WSWB and he seemed greatly disappointed that she had been distant all Summer. It also probably didn't impress him very much later in the year when he found out she was in trouble with the police, again, and had ran away from home. I actually suspect that a lot of Buffy's fears in Nightmares were grounded in actual reality and that Hank entered his mid-life crisis stage where a troublesome teen daughter just no longer seemed as appealing as vacationing with his hot young secretary.

      A lot of people accuse the writers of retconning Hank's character to make him a deadbeat father but I actually find that whole story line very believable. I know of a few people in RL who were very close to both of their parents after a divorce but over time, and especially if dad lives in a different part of the country, they grew apart and now they barley see their father at all. It's really sad but it happens a lot.

      I just thought of another one! I've always pretty much assumed that Faith was been sexually abused as a child. It has never been confirmed but she shows all the signs
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      • #4
        Originally posted by vampmogs View Post
        I also quite like the idea that Cecily was in fact Halfrek in Fool For Love and that she was on official vengeance business. We're never told if she was meant to have been turned into a vengeance demon after those events or if William had been fancying a demon all along. It's more interesting to me if it was simply Halfrek infiltrating high society much the same way Anya infiltrated Sunnydale High and transformed herself into a teenage girl (with the hormones and feelings to boot).
        I love all your personal canon theories and most of them are those I subscribe to as well. I'll add that, in fact, if Halfrek is Cecily, then it is canon that she was already a demon when she met William in 1880, since she mentions in Selfless that she was with Anyanka in Russia during the Crimean war (1853-1856).

        My bit of personal canon: I always assumed that Buffy and Spike had at least one conversation if not several between Dead Things and Older and Far Away. Many people seem convinced that they didn't even meet between the alley beating and the time he shows up at her birthday party (and criticize Buffy for her not showing she's sorry), which makes no sense to me. For starters, some time has obviously passed, it's not the next day (injuries don't heal that easily even on vampires) and more importantly, Buffy's behavior and interactions with Spike make no sense if they're supposed to directly follow from what we saw in Dead Things. At the beginning of the episode, Tara asks Buffy if she's ready to "come out" and Buffy seems more open to the idea, saying she needs to see how well Spike plays with others; I can't imagine her assuming that they're still in a relationship, let alone being so relatively positive about it, if that was a direct continuation of where they left things in Dead Things. And then there's Buffy's and Spike's lighthearted flirting at the party (yes, Spike does mention the beating, but only later when he gets angry), which feels completely dissonant from DT. Don't get me wrong, I think the writers dropped the ball by not dealing with the aftermath of DT, but there's no reason to assume that there weren't any off-screen events that would make more sense of things.

        Originally posted by vampmogs View Post
        I just thought of another one! I've always pretty much assumed that Faith was been sexually abused as a child. It has never been confirmed but she shows all the signs
        I believe that, too. There seem to be lots of hints to that effect.
        You keep waiting for the dust to settle and then you realize it; the dust is your life going on. If happy comes along - that weird unbearable delight that's actual happy - I think you have to grab it while you can. You take what you can get, 'cause it's here, and then...gone.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by TimeTravellingBunny View Post
          I believe that, too. There seem to be lots of hints to that effect.
          I've a question, if we're going to assume that the Season 8 & 9 comics are indeed canon -- abused by whom? Because if that was intended, the Daddy Issues arc in A&F should have been the ideal time to introduce that idea into canon. But even though Faith's father was clearly not in the running for Father of the Year, there's nothing in the story (not in how he acts nor in how Faith acts) that, IMO, really backs up the idea that Faith was sexually abused. At least, not by her father. So, who then?

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          • #6
            Authority figures (school, church, drs etc) possibly, or other relatives, peers. Faith always gave the impression to me that she felt her body was a commodity to be traded with and that she felt emotionally distanced from herself. She was always clinical about sexual physical release which was what Robin called her on at the end of S7. I was disappointed that they didn't carry on that relationship into the comics properly, it was potentially interesting. Anyway, although there wasn't anything explicit in the show, the whole tone around her attitude implied she may have had issues in this area. At the very least that she saw sex as a potential tool rather than an expression of romantic emotions which had to have gained foundations somewhere. The 'want take have' mantra also fits in with a learnt power abuse.

            I take your point that this could have been explored in A&F with her dad if he was an abuser and they wanted to go there but it wouldn't have been in keeping with what they were wanting in the arc from her side. Although it must be noted that the relationship between abuser and victim when it is between a parent/child dynamic is often immensely complicated and often mixes on the child's side with a desperation for approval and true connection. In fact, Faith's sudden mood swings with him could play into there being deeply complicated underlying issues. I don't think they did anything to explicitly rule it out in A&F personally with her dad but there are plenty of other options for an abuser role in her past.

            I believe S8&9 are undisputed canon.
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            • #7
              I don't want to cross debate people's personal canon, but I've always thought that Faith is the way she is because it's the way she is. I'm always disinclined for the story to reach for abuse/trauma tropes, as they are so thoroughly worn out.

              I don't know if I have a lot of personal canon, or maybe I just can't think of it. I was one of the first on the bandwagon that it was a Slayer that took out Angel's spies on the Decoy and that Andrew's escort for the evening were Slayers.
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              • #8
                I just thought of another one! In Revelations, Gwendolyn Post is mocking Giles’s book collection and she asks him if he has a copy of Robert Kane’s Twilight Compendium and when Giles says that he does she seems amused and unimpressed – "Of course you do." My own personal canon is that it is actually a book written about the Twilight prophecy from S8 and that Gwendolyn acts so snobby about it because, as Giles says in the Twilight arc, it was always just regarded as a myth or “Watcher’s fairy tale.” She turns her nose up at it the way a historian would at the Da Vinci Code and it makes sense that she’d belittle Giles for having such a text.

                I just love to think it was actually a reference to the Twilight story in the comics and Post's attitude towards it is just perfect. Also, that episode focuses a lot on the Buffy/Angel relationship and the possible danger that it poses so it's actually rather fitting (though I realise totally coincidental) that Twilight would be referenced in this of all episodes.

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                • #9
                  Hey! I even wrote fic to the effect that Buffy brought Spike his duster while he was all crazycakes in the basement.

                  Here's one more. In "Get It Done," after Spike's been tossed through the ceiling and Dawn says "I'll go check on him," when he comes back down again to join the gang discussing a plan, he and Dawn share this strange tension. It makes me think that when she checked on him upstairs and he finally came to, she basically berated him for being a great big failure (something like "what are you good for anyways?"). Hence, giving him even more motivation to kill the demon and get Buffy back.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by vampmogs View Post

                    I just thought of another one! I've always pretty much assumed that Faith was been sexually abused as a child. It has never been confirmed but she shows all the signs
                    Thats what I thought especially after season 8 No Future For You. I also heard that she beats her father up or something later?



                    The fact she never lets anyone (men) close and they way she freaks out around men quite a bit suggests that she has been abused. She likes to feel in control most of the time during sex as well it seems.

                    She has real trust issues which immediately indicates that she has been possibly abused growing up not just physically but emotionally as well. She is a wall of defence by the time we meet her.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Emmie View Post
                      Hey! I even wrote fic to the effect that Buffy brought Spike his duster while he was all crazycakes in the basement.
                      Really? That's awesome I totally think it's possible she would have done that. I don't know how you fic goes but in my head I imagine her being very awkward but kind about it but Spike is barley lucid and doesn't really acknowledge it at all.

                      Here's one more. In "Get It Done", after Spike's been tossed through the ceiling, when he comes back down again, he and Dawn share this strange moment which always makes me think she was the one to go check on him upstairs and when he finally came to, she basically berated him for being a great big failure (something like "what are you good for anyways?"). Hence, giving him even more motivation to kill the demon and get Buffy back.
                      I could totally see that. I just rewatched that episode recently and when she says she'll go check on him she almost says it in an exasperated way. As if she's frustrated with him. And I also noticed that brief moment they share when he walks into the kitchen. Great idea!

                      Originally posted by BuffySpike View Post
                      Thats what I thought especially after season 8 No Future For You. I also heard that she beats her father up or something later?

                      Yeah it was NFFY which pretty much sealed the deal for me as well. The way she reacts to being touched (and the vampire calling her a "worthless whore") really set alarm bells off for me. Plus, there are clear parallels going on with Faith/Gigi and Gigi admits to having been exposed to pedophiles as a child
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by vampmogs View Post
                        Really? That's awesome I totally think it's possible she would have done that. I don't know how you fic goes but in my head I imagine her being very awkward but kind about it but Spike is barley lucid and doesn't really acknowledge it at all.
                        Yeah, I wrote her as really standoffish and exasperated. Then Spike takes over with his crazy (which was quite fun to write). It's shippy but not too shippy, if you're interested -- I tried to keep it close to canon.


                        Originally posted by vampmogs View Post
                        I could totally see that. I just rewatched that episode recently and when she says she'll go check on him she almost says it in an exasperated way. As if she's frustrated with him. And I also noticed that brief moment they share when he walks into the kitchen. Great idea!
                        Riiiight. I felt like her "I'll go check on him" tone was surprisingly not uber-annoyed in contrast to how pissed she looks after he came back down and joined everyone in the kitchen, like she's bristling with anger that he's in her presence (that reaction shot focusing on Dawn when Kennedy is talking to Spike is just so loaded). It's like when she's not in the room with him, she can show some concern. The way she immediately offered to go check on him struck me as interesting -- she still cares. But I think once she actually made sure he was okay, all of Dawn's anger came out and she busted his chops, probably shaming him with way harsher "I'm badder than you" insults.

                        Now I'm trying to think of more of these and I'm drawing a blank. It's fun, though! I tend to think of these as fanfic opportunities. The canon fill-in-the-blank fics.

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                        Oh, one more! Dawn's ability to translate ancient languages in Season 7, something that should be ridiculously hard to learn for a teenager much less one who's teaching herself -- this ability is fostered by her Keyness. Dawn having once contained multitudes and all that.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Emmie View Post
                          Yeah, I wrote her as really standoffish and exasperated. Then Spike takes over with his crazy (which was quite fun to write). It's shippy but not too shippy, if you're interested -- I tried to keep it close to canon.
                          I'll have a read, thanks!

                          Yeah they could easily be fanfic opportunities! I'm sure I have more but it takes a while for them to come back to me. The only other one I can think of for now is that I always assumed Willy leaves Sunnydale because he makes a bad deal with some of his demon regulars and has to split town because he can't afford to pay up. We're never told why he leaves ("If Willy were here..." "Well, Willy's not here") but I can't imagine it was good.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by vampmogs View Post



                            Yeah it was NFFY which pretty much sealed the deal for me as well. The way she reacts to being touched (and the vampire calling her a "worthless whore") really set alarm bells off for me. Plus, there are clear parallels going on with Faith/Gigi and Gigi admits to having been exposed to pedophiles as a child
                            You know those books by people who were physically and emotionally abused as children like A Child Called It? Then they also write about the people they grow up to be after such traumatic events. I've read two of them (the one I just mentioned) and another called Broken. The way these two people became as adults especially towards people who try to get close to them pretty much echoes what Faith is like towards people when it comes to love and allowing someone close. I'm not talking about being Psychotic but just the way she interacts with most men in her life.

                            The way she saw Richard as a father figure indicates that need of acceptance from a parental figure after traumatic physical and emotional abuse and neglect which may be a factor as to why she was so easily corrupted by him.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Emmie View Post
                              Yeah, I wrote her as really standoffish and exasperated. Then Spike takes over with his crazy (which was quite fun to write). It's shippy but not too shippy, if you're interested -- I tried to keep it close to canon.
                              That's lovely Emmie, always happy to see any of your stuff.

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