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  • Originally posted by Stoney View Post
    But it doesn't work because the character interaction is what a lot of fans love of Buffy and I would be surprised if a strong proportion of their sales isn't from fans of the show. Personally if they split everyone up and Willow and Spike got their own title separate to Buffy's and Angel's I would be buying less than they got out of me this year. Minis I don't mind but separate titles and I won't play ball. We'll have to wait and see what they plan but multiple titles to me just damages their product and is doing what a lot of people have disliked about this season to a greater degree.
    Well, they'd probably have to grab their whole pool of characters and try to see how they could break out in a way that retains interesting dynamics as well as at least some of the popular/familiar ones. It's something worth at least attempting on paper. It's kinda like watching conference expansion in college football and seeing how they try to retain certain rivalries.

    I think that if they were to go back to alpha and call up all their known characters of interest you could probably come up with a roster for four monthlies, then you could have have crossover minis where everybody gets caught up.
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    • I just can't see them spreading the best/favourite characters that thinly without weakening it all too much.

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      • If there is a split up coming the most likely is probably Willow leaves the nest to "fly" on her own. But if they go with that plan...who's part of Willow's entourage? Billy? Kennedy? Andrew? I think there are too many unknown variables right now to make an educated guess on where they're going to go with this. But I do think its likely Dark Horse is going to lose the Star Wars franchise now that Disney is the owner of that property. In the end I think Dark Horse is going to keep that idea about splitting up the characters but only use it when the Buffy comic winds down. At that point they'd have nothing to lose by trying to spin off other characters like Spike, etc.
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        • Originally posted by DorothyFan1 View Post
          If there is a split up coming the most likely is probably Willow leaves the nest to "fly" on her own. But if they go with that plan...who's part of Willow's entourage? Billy? Kennedy? Andrew? I think there are too many unknown variables right now to make an educated guess on where they're going to go with this. But I do think its likely Dark Horse is going to lose the Star Wars franchise now that Disney is the owner of that property. In the end I think Dark Horse is going to keep that idea about splitting up the characters but only use it when the Buffy comic winds down. At that point they'd have nothing to lose by trying to spin off other characters like Spike, etc.
          Horrible idea from storytelling standpoint, but from commercial standpoint it was brilliant strategy. The sales figures show a consistent and significant drop from year to year, some even claim that "Buffy" comic has lost about 85% of its readership since season 8 #1, and there was no way of stoping it, they knew that they will not win people back:

          There was no way to convince people to buy more copies of "Buffy" so they decided to split main characters. And now people indeed are buying more "Buffy" books. But I think it is short term gains and long term loss - in the long term it is suicide, especially for "Buffy" which already suffer from lack of good characters.

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          • Most Star Wars fans completely dismiss the comics.

            The cost for the license would be based off things like sales potential, publicity garnered for the comic company, etc.

            Also, the question is whether both the BtVS and the AtS comic book licenses combined is worth more than the Star Wars comic book licenses.

            Disney paid 4.05B (probably mostly in Disney stock) for the movie license, TV license, toy license (I assume) etc of Star Wars . I consider they vastly overpaid.



            1701EarlGrey , what do those sales figures include?

            DarkHorse is getting sales from digital and they're getting sales from the TPBs and they are getting sales from HCs.

            The more casual readers are probably waiting to buy TPBs or HCs on Amazon.com or wherever or they are waiting for the digital bundle packs.

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            • January 2013 comic sales:
              http://www.icv2.com/articles/news/25024.html


              BTVS SEASON 9 FREEFALL #17
              23,219


              ANGEL & FAITH #18
              14,609


              BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER SPIKE #5
              13,385

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              • Originally posted by MikeB View Post
                Most Star Wars fans completely dismiss the comics.

                The cost for the license would be based off things like sales potential, publicity garnered for the comic company, etc.

                Also, the question is whether both the BtVS and the AtS comic book licenses combined is worth more than the Star Wars comic book licenses.

                Disney paid 4.05B (probably mostly in Disney stock) for the movie license, TV license, toy license (I assume) etc of Star Wars . I consider they vastly overpaid.
                People who do this for a living consider you are probably wrong -- "Star Wars" already has gross receipts across its family of licenses of more than $30 billion.

                What are you gaining out of persisting in an empirically indefensible position, namely that "Buffy" is worth more as an IP investment than "Star Wars"? About the only argument on which the "Buffy" investment could stand is that... it's the only game in town, whereas there are more "Star Wars" movies upcoming. I suppose an ancillary argument could be made that concern over the long-term status of SW EU because of the movies may color its value, whereas we already know "Buffy" is not in a position to have its canon status revoked in the foreseeable future.

                Or, for that matter, why this argument goes on at all, since nobody seems to disagree that there is little chance that the Mouse is going to even offer Dark Horse the chance to keep the license whenever it runs out, that they will want to bring that license home to their own, in-house comic publishing company.
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                • Originally posted by MikeB
                  Most Star Wars fans completely dismiss the comics.
                  Most Star Wars fans don't read the novels. Most Star Wars fans don't collect the action figures. Most Star Wars fans don't play the videogames. That doesn't change the fact that those ARE incredibly lucrative licenses to have. There IS an audience for the Star Wars EU stuff, whether that audience includes "most" Star Wars fans is completely besides the point.

                  To put it another way, most Buffy fans don't care about the comics. Dark Horse wishes that everyone who watched and enjoyed the TV show would be invested enough to buy the comics. By that same token, the majority of Star Wars "fans" are people who've seen and enjoyed the six movies (or even just the Original Trilogy) and don't care about the Expanded Universe. That said, a market for the Star Wars EU does exist, just as a market for the Buffyverse comics exists.

                  I do think its ridiculous that you think Buffy as a brand even compares to Star Wars.

                  Disney paid 4.05B (probably mostly in Disney stock) for the movie license, TV license, toy license (I assume) etc of Star Wars . I consider they vastly overpaid.
                  What expertise do you have on the subject? Do you think Disney are kicking themselves for not consulting you before they made the purchase?

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                  • No sales for Willow Wonderland listed?

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                    • All caught up



                      Again, “The cost for the license would be based off things like sales potential, publicity garnered for the comic company, etc.

                      Also, the question is whether both the BtVS and the AtS comic book licenses combined is worth more than the Star Wars comic book licenses.”


                      DarkHorse almost certainly gets more publicity from having the Buffyverse comics than they do from having the Star Wars comics. And the Buffyverse comics probably outsell the Star Wars ones considering the Buffyverse TPs and now HCs sell so well.

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                      • February 2013 comic sales: http://www.icv2.com/articles/news/25233.html

                        BTVS SEASON 9 FREEFALL #18
                        22,530
                        #94

                        BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER WILLOW WONDERLAND #4
                        15,236
                        #134

                        ANGEL & FAITH #19
                        14,412
                        #143

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                        • Originally posted by sicwere View Post
                          February 2013 comic sales: http://www.icv2.com/articles/news/25233.html

                          BTVS SEASON 9 FREEFALL #18
                          22,530
                          #94

                          BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER WILLOW WONDERLAND #4
                          15,236
                          #134

                          ANGEL & FAITH #19
                          14,412
                          #143
                          Well, this doesn't include the digital, etc. sales, but BtVS S9 in these figures is selling about 1.6x better than AtF.

                          What's more interesting is that Spike being in A&F doesn't seem to have given A&F much of a boost in sales (if any) from what they would have been had he not been in it.

                          BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER SPIKE #5
                          13,385
                          And yet at most, Spike maybe propped up A&F's sales by a few hundred from what they otherwise may have been.

                          So, I assume A&F didn't get much of a boost because the Spike fans simply assumed that Spike would be 'treated like crap' in A&F.

                          I doubt about any Spike fans like how Spike was handled in A&F 9.19, and I doubt many post-BtVS S8 readers want Spike/Faith to happen, so we'll see how the sales' numbers are.

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                          • Top 300 Comics Actual--April 2013
                            http://www.icv2.com/articles/news/25659.html

                            95 BTVS SEASON 9 FREEFALL #20 21,901
                            142 ANGEL & FAITH #21 14,102
                            "Gunn dies, Illyria Survives, Spike shanshus, Angel looses an arm and Xander looses an arm too, which is odd because he wasn't even there."
                            Joss Whedon at the High Stakes convention - 2004

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                            • I assume many are simply buying the digital comics or waiting for the TPBs or HCs to come out.

                              But sales probably have decreased and they've likely decreased because BtVS S9 is not as good as BtVS S8 (which I don't think is too much Andrew Chambliss's fault) and A&F is simply full of Angel apologists and Angel hero worship even after what Angel did in BtVS S8.

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