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  • Buffy Season 9 Re-Read

    Well since I've re-read Season 8 and Spike, I thought I'd continue. If anyone wants to join me, that'd be great, or just comment as we go along.

    Freefall Part 1 Buffy awakes with a hang over and believes she may have slept with every person at a party. This is so reminiscent of S8, with Buffy still being lonely, desperate and lovelorn. It annoyed me then and it annoys me now. We see her making a pass at Riley and Xander, and thinking she may have slept with Willow. It's just a horrible start, which I'm assuming Joss was intending to rectify later with the big reveal, oh Buffy didn't do any of those things, she was a robot! But it's just a horrible way to start the season.

    Having said that, there is actually a lot to like in this issue. The comics have come back down to earth. There's no longer a castle in Scotland, Buffy's no longer a Genral leading an army, she's a normal girl. She has her own space, she's trying to be a grown up and take care of herself. I like Andrew shaming her by saying he's started a disaster relief organisation, and Buffy is just working as a waitress in a coffee shop.

    We meet Dowling, and are told that strange deaths are happening in the city. It's intriguing. The lack of magic has weakend Koh's prison and he frees himself (though we don't know who he is yet). We see Simone planning mischief and Spike is hanging around, going patrolling with Buffy, although he's made it clear he's not ready to go back to the way they were.

    I especially liked the Buffy/Willow dynamic. Willow is obviously in a bad place, she is missing magic and blaming Buffy for it's loss. Where Spike and Riley are telling Buffy she did the right thing in destroying the seed and that she had no other choice, Willow is loudly blaming Buffy for making the wrong decision and not understanding the enormity of what she's done.

    Forgot to mention the art, which I love. Everyone looks great.
    Last edited by Priceless; 13-02-18, 07:20 PM.

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    Well since I've re-read Season 8 and Spike, I thought I'd continue. If anyone wants to join me, that'd be great, or just comment as we go along.
    LOL! Have you eaten, slept, been to work, walked the dog, or any of the things normal people do since you started these re-reads? I can't keep up! I have to say - I admire your stamina and dedication to the cause.
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    • #3
      I re-read season 9 about a year ago and I appreciated it more than on the first read. I think it's a genuinely good, extremely detailed season. Yes, Buffy's absolutely infuriating. She is incredibly full of crap. However, that's not bad writing. That's just who Buffy is at that point in time. And the finale's fantastic, I like it more than some of the show's ones.

      I especially liked the Buffy/Willow dynamic. Willow is obviously in a bad place, she is missing magic and blaming Buffy for it's loss.
      I don't think Willow's blaming Buffy. Alright, maybe a little bit. I think that mostly Willow's frustrated by Buffy's unwillingness to even discuss the issue.




      This conversation is very important, it foreshadows the plot of the entire season. Willow warns Buffy about the possible consequences of a seed-less world. Buffy doesn't want to do anything about it, she doesn't even want to talk about it. So Willow's, like, OK, #@$! this, I'll get it done on my own and leaves. Then Buffy proceeds to do *nothing* for the rest of the season until, just like Willow said, she's forced to deal with the fallout because it actually affects her (Dawn's going poof) But then Willow comes back and fixes everything. Anyway, as to this issue, I love the panel with Willow and Spike laughing about "The Initiative". I'm glad that it was acknowledged and referenced at all. Also, Will being all sexy with Buffy is hilarious.

      Forgot to mention the art, which I love. Everyone looks great.
      Yeah. I really like Dawn's outfit. Dawn and Xander in general look awesome together.

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      • #4
        Oooooh, awesome we're in S9! My cousin got me all the S9 volumes which are still in their plastic wrap. Time to unwrap and read.

        I remember one of my displeasures with S9 was that we didn't see more of Willow in her new job, dealing with life without magic.
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        • #5
          a thing of evil You could well have a point about Buffy wanting to avoid the issue, but I don't think it's because she doesn't want to do anything about it, it's that she doesn't know what to do.

          She hates that Willow blames her, and she does feel guilty about it. But I also think Willow is projecting herself onto Buffy 'you don't realise how the destruction of the seed affected everyone. You only think about how it affected you', Willow sounds so arrogant here, like she is the guardian of the magic and no-one else can possibly understand what's happening and I get the sense that what Willow is really worried about is herself.

          But I do actually love this dynamic between them. I always enjoy when Buffy and Willow are on different sides. And yes, Dawn and Xander do look great together. I really enjoy their relationship throughout the season.

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          Originally posted by Sosa lola View Post
          Oooooh, awesome we're in S9! My cousin got me all the S9 volumes which are still in their plastic wrap. Time to unwrap and read.

          I remember one of my displeasures with S9 was that we didn't see more of Willow in her new job, dealing with life without magic.
          Yay! Happy to have you join the re-read. This is another good season for Xander if I remember correctly and it'll be nice to get your perspective sosa lola. I can't actually remember how much of Willow without magic we see.

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          Freefall Part 2

          We see how the end of magic has affected demons trapped here. They have to get jobs and live like normal people.
          We also learn that Riley negotiated a amnesty between Interpol and the slayers, which is why the slayers are now able to live like normal people too.

          Dowling and his partner are faced with more dead bodies. The mystery deepens because one of the bodies has been identified as going missing in 1941. I really like these new characters and the police procedural angle, and I think it's very in character for Buffy to now be on the run from the law. I also like how they reveal the actual 'murderer', who calls himself a slayer.

          Xander and Dawn have had a falling out it seems, and he's sleeping on the couch. This living like normal people isn't working out well for either Summers sister.

          Spike points out the Buffy can't ever be normal, and just like vampires, what makes them tick is a part of them, not an outside magic such as Willow is missing. This makes Buffy closer in nature to Spike than Willow. I love that Buffy says she'd miss Spike if the destruction of the seed had destroyed him and it feels like they are building a friendship.

          I do have a slight issue with Spike's 'someone's after you, you're in danger' act, it reminds me too much of early Angel, and I wonder if they are trying to makes us think Spike is now at a similar point to that of Season 1 Angel?

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          • #6
            Originally posted by TriBel View Post
            LOL! Have you eaten, slept, been to work, walked the dog, or any of the things normal people do since you started these re-reads? I can't keep up! I have to say - I admire your stamina and dedication to the cause.
            I know! I can't keep up either. I really want to read the S6 rewatch thread but it's so long it's daunting. Priceless is our champion!


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            • #7
              Originally posted by GoSpuffy View Post
              I know! I can't keep up either. I really want to read the S6 rewatch thread but it's so long it's daunting. Priceless is our champion!
              Lol, I've just got a few days off work, so plenty of time to catch up with everything. Oh who am I kidding, I've got no life anyway, work or not

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              • #8
                You could well have a point about Buffy wanting to avoid the issue, but I don't think it's because she doesn't want to do anything about it, it's that she doesn't know what to do.
                She doesn't need to know what to do, she's got Willow to figure it out. I mean, obviously, Buffy's not a magic specialist. She just needs to be willing to take action. And she's not willing to do it because she doesn't want to take the responsibility for what has happened.

                like she is the guardian of the magic
                Well...she is the guardian of magic. In "Last Gleaming" Willow becomes the seed's (and Earth's by proxy) protector. Then the first slayer tells her to take the scythe and fix it. It's her responsibility and, unlike some other people, she doesn't run away from it.

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                • #9
                  Freefall part one
                  I've finally figured out how to make sense of the comics. They have de-aged buffy in order to continue exploring themes of "growing up". It makes sense from an entertainment purpose but not from a character purpose. S7 Buffy was a general, confident, grown up. S8&9 Buffy doesn't know how to be in a relationship, doesn't know what she wants, is back to being S4 Buffy learning how to handle her alcohol.

                  Some how even though Buffy has reverted to her younger years Dawn and Xander have still grown up.

                  I like the new roomies, they are interesting and nice to Buffy.

                  I can't believe Buffy thinks she may have slept with Willow. And oddly Willow has grown up too. I don't like that only Buffy went backwards in her character growth. But I do still love Buffy the most.

                  Of all the new characters created by the comics Dowling is one of my favorites so its exciting to see him enter the story.

                  Buffy flirting with Spike at the door would have made me excited except Buffy flirting with basically everything that moves makes it unspecial. I can only assume Riley is on his own without Sam as a plot device for more inappropriate flirting.

                  Willow and Spike talking about the time he almost vamped her was cute and funny and shows they became friends in Vegas.

                  Even Andrew is acting more grown up than Buffy. What the ????

                  The party scenes are funny, and I love that the cops stayed to dance. And Spike putting "Y"s on his word is one of the funniest panels of all.

                  I love the humour in the comics but truthfully I love Buffy because she's strong and powerful and finds the answers. I love S10 and S11 Buffy way more than S8 & 9, mainly because she's acting like S7 Buffy again.
                  Last edited by GoSpuffy; 14-02-18, 08:02 PM.


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                  • #10
                    I can't remember if Buffy actually becomes more mature once she's no longer a robot, if that makes sense. I know the robot has all Buffy's personality, but I wonder if Andrew slipped a bit of 'teenage idiocy' in there so Buffy seems younger. Or maybe it's just the sense of freedom she feels because she doesn't have to be a general leading an army anymore? But I agree, Buffy does seem much younger than she did.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Priceless View Post
                      Xander and Dawn have had a falling out it seems, and he's sleeping on the couch. This living like normal people isn't working out well for either Summers sister.
                      You know, I think what's happening to them fits exactly in the "normal" range... couple fight, guy goes sleep on the couch...

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                      Originally posted by GoSpuffy View Post
                      Even Andrew is acting more grown up than Buffy. What the ????
                      It could be explained by the hard blown Buffy took with the whole Twilight/Seed debacle...

                      Her life like reverted to how it was when she was younger: working as a waitress, living with roommates like in college (not in her own house anymore), not leading an army of young girls and having to make important decisions. So she flirts, drinks and let life goes by without thinking much in serious issues, just like a teenager.
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                      • #12
                        Her life like reverted to how it was when she was younger: working as a waitress, living with roommates like in college (not in her own house anymore), not leading an army of young girls and having to make important decisions. So she flirts, drinks and let life goes by without thinking much in serious issues, just like a teenager.
                        That makes sense. I also think she may be depressed over Giles and Angel, and so has reverted back to that teenage thing of wanting a normal life, so she doesn't have to go through anything like that again. Maybe that's also why she's not interested in talking to Willow about how to restore the seed, it's just all too much for her at the moment?

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Priceless View Post
                          I can't remember if Buffy actually becomes more mature once she's no longer a robot, if that makes sense. I know the robot has all Buffy's personality, but I wonder if Andrew slipped a bit of 'teenage idiocy' in there so Buffy seems younger. Or maybe it's just the sense of freedom she feels because she doesn't have to be a general leading an army anymore? But I agree, Buffy does seem much younger than she did.
                          That's why I'm trying to remember exactly when she became a robot so I can blame characters flaws on that event.


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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by GoSpuffy View Post
                            That's why I'm trying to remember exactly when she became a robot so I can blame characters flaws on that event.
                            Actually its after the party when she wakes up naked, Andrew spiked her drink so that may be why she was acting so flirty with everyone. That makes me think don't they give way too many chances to Andrew?

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Spuffyfreak View Post
                              Actually its after the party when she wakes up naked, Andrew spiked her drink so that may be why she was acting so flirty with everyone. That makes me think don't they give way too many chances to Andrew?
                              Andrew never learns his lesson, he just repeats the same mistakes over and over, but the scoobies keep forgiving him for some reason. I was so glad he ran away in Season 11. The season was too short to waste any of it on him

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