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  • Buffy # 10 Issue Discussion Thread(Full Spoilers).

    The new Buffy issue is out tomorrow so I'm opening the thread.

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    Reiew for Buffy # 10.

    http://www.scifipulse.net/in-review-...-season-11-10/

    In Review: Buffy the Vampire Slayer: Season 11 #10

    Much happens, with the heroes making their way to the series' final obstacle.



    by Patrick Hayes August 30, 2017

    The covers: A pair to find and both are worth tracking down. The Regular cover is by the incredible Steve Morris who turns in another amazing cover. Buffy, Spike, and Faith are in a room surrounded by giant bubbles containing several different types of aquatic life, with a moray eel sticking out the most in front of Faith. Buffy reaches up to touch one before her and that could lead to trouble. If one were to look closer, all the creatures have some sort of electronics grafted onto them. The characters look excellent and the sea life eerie in pale violets. A beautiful and bizarre scene that does indeed occur in this issue. Christos Gage, Megan Levens, Dan Jackson, and Comicraft have created the Variant cover which has two panels featuring Spike, Willow, Buffy, and Faith on a beach. Spike says he’s found a way in (to something), but it will be problematic for those who breathe. Willow has that covered, but Buffy poses another possible problem. The vampire says he’s got that covered with the help of a newfound lady friend. It’s a funny joke with visuals that lead right into the action of the first page of this issue. This “deleted scenes” cover is definitely worth tracking down for those who want the entire story. Overall grade: Regular A+ and Variant A-

    The story: The Cliff House and the ruins of the Sutro Baths have been repurposed by the government as a research facility named “Project Pandora.” Four Scoobies make their way in accompanied by some of Spike’s new friends. They enter through a water valve and are summarily attacked by a giant octopus that’s been outfitted with cybernetic enhancements. All are grabbed by the beastie, with Buffy breaking free first by using the Scythe she carries. Spike tries biting it to no effect. With Willow freed by the Slayer, the witch takes care of the cephalopod, leaving them with a blast of ink. Finding some stairs, Buffy worries aloud that they may be discovered, though Spike reassures her with some calming words. Willow uses her magic to light their way up and they come upon a chamber of horrors. What they discover is out of left field, though given what they encountered in the previous chamber not so much. The Scoobies figure out what’s being done and realize the overall game plan of those responsible. Before they can leave their location there’s a decent obstacle, with Page 10 having the saddest and creepiest moment of the issue, with one character electing to do something that no one else can. Christos Gage makes this sick, moving, and absolutely true to all the characters. With the heavy scene done, the Scoobies rejoin Xander and Dawn and a plan is hatched to get intel from the highest person involved with the evil scheme. This is a clever plan and produces some funny lines, especially on Pages 13, 17, and 19. There’s also a laugh out loud response in the fourth panel on 16. The book ends with the larger threat introduced and the heroes making a decision. This was an enjoyable read, with every expected mark hit. That’s why this was a minor disappointment. Every issue before this was exceptional, but this was just good, story-wise. It’s a transition issue to move the protagonists to the conclusion, with both halves of the story feeling rushed. This was good, just not at the level of previous issues. Overall grade: B

    The art: Megan Levens is the artist of this issue and she does a good job with the visuals. The first page is really good build to the reveal at the bottom of the page, with the settings shown from a distance, the focus moving to a group, the group being shown in a new environment, until the Scoobies are finally revealed with them. It’s cinematic in its progression. The entrance though the water valve is also good on the second page, with the final three panels having no text whatsoever, relying wholly on Levens to communicate to the reader the story. I like how she used black in the trio of panels to show them entering a space where they can’t see and the robo-tentacles emerging in the final panel. The octopus battle is good, with one character held upside down, creating some good humor. The looks on the characters’ faces at the bottom of Page 4 is an excellent tease of what’s to come, with them showing their shock at what they see. The first panel of the next page contains some solid payoff, with several different things shown, with just enough unique about each to draw the eye; Levens has done plenty to make the reader linger over each item. The obstacle encountered on 7 doesn’t look strong enough to be a threat. The third panel on 8 looks as though there was supposed to be dialogue to the right of the character, but instead there’s quite a bit of empty space. The actions on 9 are as rough as can be drawn without going over-the-top gory, which was a good choice by Levens, making the first panel on the next page extremely sympathetic. The visual laughs that begin on 15 are from the gestures and posing of a particular character that keeps the reader in on the joke, while those in the story are clueless; it’s a good job with physical humor. There are two scenes in the book where several characters are in a small space and Levens really moves the point of view around well. However, on the final page the third and fourth panels are oddly stretched, again suggesting that dialogue was intended to be there, but is not. I like the art, though there are a few moments where it’s not as strong as Levens’s previous outings. Overall grade: B

    The colors: The different settings of this book provide several opportunities for colorist Dan Jackson to really shine, and he does. The first page begins with beautiful blues that dull slightly when the location goes deep. The slight change in colors around the Scoobies shows the reader that Willow has helped them out. The octopus is gorgeous in a pulpy, mottled orange. The colors of the element shown on 5 are lovely, making their contents all the odder with their additional parts. The battle that breaks out also has some strong colors for the background, such as orange, violet, and yellow. I really like the weak mustard used in the fourth panel on 10 to mirror the sick action that’s to occur. Willow’s hair and outfit for the final sequence of the book makes her a stand out on every panel she’s in. Jackson’s work is good on this book. Overall grade: A

    The letters: Richard Starkings and Comicraft’s Jimmy Betancourt create scene settings, narration, the story’s title, yells, dialogue, a whisper, vampire speech, sounds, screams, a transmission, and the tease for next issue. I’m still impressed by the scene settings, which are really strong and visually alert the reader that a change of locations is beginning. The sounds are also neat, with there being several in the action sequences. The vampire speech is also cool, with it being chilling the last time it’s used. Overall grade: A

    The final line: Much happens, with the heroes making their way to the series’ final obstacle. The story comes off a bit rushed, but there’s still much to enjoy, with some odd things discovered and one character getting a very new perspective. Overall grade: B+

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  • #2
    Great issue – the only thing that has disappointed me a little bit is that the Vice President (and not the President) is the corrupt, irresponsible, evil douche piece of crap who is aware of the master plan (along with Press Secretary Joanna Wise, and Secretary of the supernatural Ophelia Reyes)… because he has been the obvious choice since the beginning.

    But let’s go to the good stuff: it seems the Initiative is back to the Buffyverse - let’s take a very bad idea from the past, enhanced it, and make it great again, said the evil mind behind it. The actual Government’s goal has always been to eliminate the supernatural beings from the face of Earth.

    Now demons haven't been used because they have always been too hard to control; this time, their magic energy has being drained and transferred to animals, turning them into weapons of war – the vision of the mutant animals encapsulated in bubbles is disturbing. Also humans are being reconstructed with technology and magic, and controlled to do the Government’s biding – the Scoobies have to confront one of them, and he begs to be killed after been neutralized.

    The Scoobies find out about all this after breaking into the facilities, and Willow manages to get some data on the Pandora Project. Before leaving the place, Spike opens the cages, and the animals wreak havoc. Next, they kidnap the VP, and he tells the horrible truth: the satellite that will drain the powers of the supernatural beings will be launched the next day; he is incapable of telling who is the powerful magic person who is behind the project, though, due to a strong spell cast on him (one that it’s so complicated that even for Willow would take days to undo).

    Buffy and Co. decide they will fight the wrongness of all this – even Dawn and Spike, the two supernatural beings among them who will certainly die if the satellite launching is successful.

    So, what does it mean that that old Maggie Walsh’s dream – create super soldiers out of human/demon hybrids – wasn’t squashed for good years ago, and it has just been on the back burner? A very bad project that seemed to be buried forever coming to fruition again when certain kind of people seize the opportunity to do so? Never let your guard down, I say.

    And this Initiative vibe brings to mind Riley: his loyalty to Buffy has been reassured a couple of times (S8, S10) by now, but… is he really free of that way of thinking that all supernatural beings (demons) are evil? Making to sacrifice (the power of) some of them (Slayers and witches) valid for “the greater good”?

    And who is the powerful magical person behind all this? The one who is really in charge? A human with his/her own agenda (who’ll certainly turn against the Government when all is done), or yet another politician?

    Art: I love Megan Levens, but I’m not too keen of her Faith in this issue…
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    • #3
      This issue was okay at best. I usually love the trope of a someone clueless impersonating a villain. It was funny when Willow switched places with VampWillow in the show, and it was funny when Flash switched places with Lex Luthor in the JLA cartoon. Here, it could have been hilarious seeing Xander impersonate the VP, but it was just kind of nothing.

      The bad guys were the Vice President and the government all along... just like everyone predicted since the start of the season. Apparently there is a bad guy behind the VP, and that remains the only mystery left in the season. So the big bad is going to be revealed -and presumably defeated in the last issue? My guess is on either Johnathon or Amy. It would be nice if it was Rutherford Sirk, he dropped off the face of the map in AtS season 5, but I doubt anyone remembers him.

      I felt kinda sorry for the cyborg dude. I'm guessing Spike killed him by draining him? Why wasn't it shown, especially after the big song and dance of Vicki not having blood on her fangs last issue? Also, why wouldn't it be possible for Willow to teleport the dude to Italy and then have Andrew build him a new cyborg body? If that were the case, they'd then have someone who could testify against what the government is doing.

      Interesting that Buffy couldn't even bring herself to grant this guy a mercy kill. Do people still wanna try to argue that demons and humans get treated the same by Buffy?

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      • #4
        Well, I honestly decided pretty much half way through the first issue that it would be a small victory if the Big Bad didn't turn out to be literally Trump, so I can count it as a win that it's only a Cheney expy doing some cliche Trump jokes. I came at this season with the soft bigotry of low expectations on this front, and have been rewarded with my favorite thing -- Being Right.

        Also pleased that there is at least someone else turning these wheels, leaving open the possibility of some personal, emotional resonance still to come and not just the peel-back-the-surface-and-there's-more-surface political messaging.

        The pace is still a strongpoint to the season's cinematic quality. Or at least, 4 hour two night miniseries quality.

        I felt Faith's voice was a little off to me more than her look, but I don't think Leavens is as good as Jeanty has been in general. Still wish we'd had a Pia Guerra run in these books at some point. Just her lines didn't always ring right to me, except for her being the one to catch that even the dimensions are not safe -- leviathan always wants more, that's it's nature, and here leviathan is a government agenda to consume magical power. Feel like that's a line they would usually give to Spike but glad they gave that perception/perspective to someone else.

        THIS is what the endgame should have been to Season 8, btw, not universe-bending BS, just hypocritical super-powered Twilight persecuting the supernatural toward this eventual outcome, to turn them into only fuel for the normal human race.

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        Originally posted by Vampire in Rug View Post
        This issue was okay at best. I usually love the trope of a someone clueless impersonating a villain. It was funny when Willow switched places with VampWillow in the show, and it was funny when Flash switched places with Lex Luthor in the JLA cartoon. Here, it could have been hilarious seeing Xander impersonate the VP, but it was just kind of nothing.

        The bad guys were the Vice President and the government all along... just like everyone predicted since the start of the season. Apparently there is a bad guy behind the VP, and that remains the only mystery left in the season. So the big bad is going to be revealed -and presumably defeated in the last issue? My guess is on either Johnathon or Amy. It would be nice if it was Rutherford Sirk, he dropped off the face of the map in AtS season 5, but I doubt anyone remembers him.

        I felt kinda sorry for the cyborg dude. I'm guessing Spike killed him by draining him? Why wasn't it shown, especially after the big song and dance of Vicki not having blood on her fangs last issue? Also, why wouldn't it be possible for Willow to teleport the dude to Italy and then have Andrew build him a new cyborg body? If that were the case, they'd then have someone who could testify against what the government is doing.

        Interesting that Buffy couldn't even bring herself to grant this guy a mercy kill. Do people still wanna try to argue that demons and humans get treated the same by Buffy?
        I would have assumed a trademark Fangsome Foursome special of a neck-snap, just no sound effect provided. Would have been more merciful and I'm guessing that guy wasn't... appetizing.
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        • #5
          I thought the artwork was pretty awful. Faith looked nothing like herself.

          THIS is what the endgame should have been to Season 8, btw, not universe-bending BS, just hypocritical super-powered Twilight persecuting the supernatural toward this eventual outcome, to turn them into only fuel for the normal human race.
          Agreed 110%. Season 8 was so much better when Twilight was concerned with the power balance of the supernatural versus humanity and how Buffy had tipped the scales too far in one direction. Then again, if you went that route (instead of the bullshit sentient universe cat stuff) what would the reasoning be for Angel to wear the mask?

          I would have assumed a trademark Fangsome Foursome special of a neck-snap, just no sound effect provided. Would have been more merciful and I'm guessing that guy wasn't... appetizing.
          Then why did Spike need to be in vamp face when he killed him? Especially when it's supposed to be a mercy kill that the reader is supposed to feel was done out of compassion? If it was a neck snap, then Spike shouldn't have been in vamp face, he should have been drawn to look as human and compassionate as possible, and there should have been a sound effect if it wasn't shown. If Spike drained him, we should have seen it, maybe even with Buffy looking a little grossed out in the background to highlight the difficulties of dating a vampire.

          Or maybe Faith could have even been the one to end him?

          I agree about the fast pace of this season being a good thing.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Vampire in Rug View Post
            I felt kinda sorry for the cyborg dude. I'm guessing Spike killed him by draining him? Why wasn't it shown, especially after the big song and dance of Vicki not having blood on her fangs last issue?
            Originally posted by KingofCretins View Post
            I would have assumed a trademark Fangsome Foursome special of a neck-snap, just no sound effect provided. Would have been more merciful and I'm guessing that guy wasn't... appetizing.
            A vampire bite "stimulates the brain's pleasure centers" as well as calms down the victim; it's a nice way to die, I suppose.

            And of course they would avoid to show one of the good guys doing it... not that I personally would mind.
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            • #7
              I think this was probably the weakest issue so far. It is very much a mid-arc issue that looked to push things forward. Although I've generally liked the pace of the season, from the explanation of the lab, them finding the answers and then kidnapping the VP, well, it was all just too easy progress for me. The feeling of overt exposition wasn't helped by everything within it being either predictable or spoiled already. Sadly the reveal of what they discovered in the lab, which could have been quite impactful, was already spoiled by the cover and the big bad not being revealed until the next issue at the earliest wasn't a surprise either because of the deleted scene cover for #11. I suppose the human/cyborg was something new in fairness, but it felt like he was there mostly to talk at us and provide some more heavy handed information about what has been happening. Once they were pointing to the VP it was only really him not being involved that would have been surprising, he has seemed so blatantly a likely part of it from the start. I'm still hopeful that the big bad and why they are doing what they are will have more interest to it.

              I do hope that there is some established connection to whomever is behind it all just because it will give it some more impact. Although there was a reference again to Dawn's portal abilities which drew W&H to mind again it doesn't feel very 'them'. I can't see it being Amy when she hasn't been in this title for multiple seasons and was last seen ratted in London (literally rather than in an inebriated way, obviously ). It just feels too big a leap to keep the reveal all the way to the very end if she was cropping back in Buffy's title again. It is more likely to be Aluwyn or Jonathan of those with pre-established issues I think.

              The willingness to kill, or at least a sense of when it might be right to do so felt like a pointed 'thing' in the issue. It coupled alongside the notion of judging by character and actions. It might not seem significant on a reread, it is just what stood out to me at the time. Interesting that both Buffy's reluctance and Spike not being shown to actually do it did stand out to some of you too. I'd agree he was going to drain him as he was in vamp face and we can assume it was made to be a gentler way to go (I'm sure vamps don't have to make it nice at all of course).

              The art was pretty bad I think. Although I think the proportions and Levens' Spike have improved (a bit) I like her Buffy less this time and her Faith wasn't great at all.

              I'm hoping things pick up again next issue.

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              • #8
                I've just read the issue. Wow, that human/cyborg was a total ripoff of Deathlok. (Or i guess you could say 'homage'.)

                Originally posted by Stoney View Post
                I think this was probably the weakest issue so far. It is very much a mid-arc issue that looked to push things forward. Although I've generally liked the pace of the season, from the explanation of the lab, them finding the answers and then kidnapping the VP, well, it was all just too easy progress for me. The feeling of overt exposition wasn't helped by everything within it being either predictable or spoiled already. Sadly the reveal of what they discovered in the lab, which could have been quite impactful, was already spoiled by the cover and the big bad not being revealed until the next issue at the earliest wasn't a surprise either because of the deleted scene cover for #11.
                That's a good thing then that I haven't been checking out any of the upcoming issues' covers or deleted scenes. I figured out they would be spoilery.
                You keep waiting for the dust to settle and then you realize it; the dust is your life going on. If happy comes along - that weird unbearable delight that's actual happy - I think you have to grab it while you can. You take what you can get, 'cause it's here, and then...gone.

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