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  • Angel & Faith # 25 Issue Discussion Thread(Full Spoilers)

    Tomorrow the finale issue of Angel & Faith for season 10 comes out.

    Also Slayalive will be doing a Q/A with Victor Gischler.

    - - Updated - - -

    The Victor Gischler Q/A has started.

    http://slayalive.com/showthread.php/...415#post123415

  • #2
    I've just done a really quick read and was pretty underwhelmed. There was no cost, even if they say there was, and that was pretty unbelievable and just weak for me, really weak. I like the A&F team that has pulled together (although I'm still not keen at all in Fred's death being undone) and I do think the title still has potential, but this all felt way too easy for me and made the season end a pretty dull one. I really did sigh without any note of amusement when we were presented with Dru's back as she ran away.

    There was nothing in there to explain or hint at a crossover for the final BtVS arc and no mention still of another season for A&F either.
    Last edited by Stoney; 06-04-16, 04:50 PM.

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    • #3
      I am pretty much in total agreement, Stoney. I really enjoyed Koh at the end, though – "Perhaps your patty gets dropped on the floor," and "Explain to me mayonnaise."

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      • #4
        One of Angel's biggest crimes is what he had done to Drusilla, her family, and the convent she wanted to join. Drusilla hasn't been a world-ending danger since BtVS S2.


        Anyway, the ultimate consequences of Angel's BtVS S8 actions is that he is vastly rewarded. He now apparently has Nadira, Illyria/Faith, Eldre Koh, the Fairweather sisters, and Faith all as members of Team Angel.

        The people of Magic Town literally risk their lives for Angel and probably don't even know or care that Angel's mostly responsible for Magic Town.

        Archaeus is defeated by Magic Town.

        Eldre Koh literally scarred Buffy. Eldre Koh somehow decides he's going to be a subordinate of Angel's.

        Buffy lost her Slayer Organization. Spike lost his spaceship and his Kingship. Willow is less powerful than she was in BtVS S8. Angel is rewarded.

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        • #5
          Haven't read it but Fred is back? Like back back or the whole split personality thing?

          Literally nothing at all happened in A&F S10.

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          • #6
            I think it is supposed to be that her and Illyria are sharing the same body but are separate. When Illyria was caught in the explosion of the new seed in the deeper well I think it basically 'reset' her which meant that when Illyria's form was returned (I assume in an 'old ones aren't that easy to kill' way) it included Fred in there again too. Angel inexplicably found Fred wandering the streets of London and they soon discovered that Illyria was still in there too. Illyria for reasons that I don't think were ever really justified is all uncertain and keeps out of the way most of the time, letting Fred steer the ship, unless she feels they are being threatened and then she takes over. Reese Zane, the pharmaceutical woman, was supposed to be researching their cohabitation after doing some tests on Fred soon after she showed up. I may be misremembering some pertinent details but that is it I think.

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            • #7
              Oh, I know all that. 25 is the only one I haven't read. I thought they were separated in the last issue or something.

              So yeah, nothing at all happens in S10.

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              • #8
                No, Illyria just emerged when the new magic in his statue suit attacked her and Koh calmed her back down again to go back into her unlikely-for-the-character hiding preference thing again. Nothing changed there, she didn't come back out.

                I think the 'family' thing, rather than just a team vibe, was supposed to be an attitude change for Angel and Faith was supposed to have decided she wanted to be there for herself, or something like that. Koh joined the A&F team in S10, that changed.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Stoney View Post
                  I think it is supposed to be that her and Illyria are sharing the same body but are separate. When Illyria was caught in the explosion of the new seed in the deeper well I think it basically 'reset' her which meant that when Illyria's form was returned (I assume in an 'old ones aren't that easy to kill' way) it included Fred in there again too. Angel inexplicably found Fred wandering the streets of London and they soon discovered that Illyria was still in there too. Illyria for reasons that I don't think were ever really justified is all uncertain and keeps out of the way most of the time, letting Fred steer the ship, unless she feels they are being threatened and then she takes over. Reese Zane, the pharmaceutical woman, was supposed to be researching their cohabitation after doing some tests on Fred soon after she showed up. I may be misremembering some pertinent details but that is it I think.
                  I'm wondering if this story element will pick up in the next season - I hate to say it because since I have zero gifts for writing and totally not qualified to put myself out as a judge on writers - but the premise that this truly awesome God Like Illyria would be subjugated by human Fred - and Illyria is still kick ass world strong - It just comes across as a plot device in support of bringing back Fred. It's such, IMO, a weak story element that brings me only disappointment. Over all, I was pretty much disappointed with just about all the season. But the artwork and art covers were nothing but Outstanding from start to finish.
                  Last edited by cil_domney; 15-04-16, 05:47 AM.
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                  • #10
                    Victor Gischler's full Slayalive Q/A for Angel & Faith # 25 is up.

                    http://slayalive.com/showthread.php/...ason-10-Finale
                    Last edited by BAF; 08-04-16, 07:40 PM.

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                    • #11
                      It sounds very much in his Q&A answers like Victor doesn't expect to be writing the next season. Has there been any confirmation on that does anyone know?

                      Re: the response to the Zane security guards' shootout. I just can't see managing to bribe to get a 'security permit' for guns in the UK as a viable explanation at all, big corporation or not. Perhaps it is naive of me, but I think that it just shows a complete lack of understanding to how little gun presence there is over here and how tight the restrictions are on who can carry them, when, where and why. I'll have to put it down to verse specific variations on that one personally.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Stoney View Post
                        It sounds very much in his Q&A answers like Victor doesn't expect to be writing the next season. Has there been any confirmation on that does anyone know?
                        I don't think he was at the season 11 writer's summit which I took as the first hint he wasn't writing for season 11.



                        https://twitter.com/Christosgage/sta...34284102701056

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                        • #13
                          True enough. With there having been no mention of A&F S11 at any point yet I suppose I had just assumed there was going to be a shake up with the titles instead and didn't dwell on Victor not being there. I wonder if the delay in announcing it when they have for BtVS has to do with confirming a writer, assuming that it isn't Chambliss (please no!) etc above.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Stoney View Post
                            True enough. With there having been no mention of A&F S11 at any point yet I suppose I had just assumed there was going to be a shake up with the titles instead and didn't dwell on Victor not being there. I wonder if the delay in announcing it when they have for BtVS has to do with confirming a writer, assuming that it isn't Chambliss (please no!) etc above.
                            I don't think they want to announce any season 11 title or titles and who's writing/doing art until season 10 is completely finished or very nearly finished.They didn't announce the season 10 titles until season 9 was completely done.Maybe they are saving any big announcments for SDCC in late July(July 21–24).Buffy # 30 comes out in mid August and season 11 is supposed to start in October so Comic Con may be when they announce what title or titles make up season 11,the creative teams and length of the season.

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                            • #15
                              Finally got around to reading it. It was... not good. They really need to leave Dru out of things from here on out. Her getting away is ridiculous. They aren't going to kill her and they've used up their quota for redeeming vamps, IMO.

                              I'll go ahead and agree with MikeB on the slurping of Angel's character. The whole of magic town are Team Angel and Faith? Really? It's like something out of the IDW comics. Everyone loves him--the town, the Aunts, Nadira. He should have tried to end the world a lot sooner; he's never had so many friends.

                              I don't even know what with the emo!magic. The universe having plans was bad enough, now we've got magic with feelings. I supposed it going off to hibernate is the setup to another story.

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