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  • GoSpuffy
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    We need a new poll that allows us to choose S12 in it's entirety as "Worst Trash" ever.

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  • Lostsoul666
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    Having done a reread of the season 8 Buffy comics my vote is still space sex. The flying god sex is pretty much the moment the Buffyverse jumped the shark.

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  • Priceless
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    What TriBel said. Some things that explore issues or character don't automatically 'advance the plot' and that's ok. It's actually something I'm missing from the Boom comics, which are sprinting through plot at a breakneck speed and not spending enough time looking at issues through a characters perspective.

    I wasn't alienated by the abortion story line either. in fact, it's a favourite of mine.

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  • TriBel
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    a) I wasn't alienated by the abortion story line.

    b) Does everything have to "advance the plot"? I never fully understand this relentless drive forward. Can't you just...I dunno...park up in a lay-by and enjoy the view? Stop off for sustenance? Pause to get your bearings? Motorways are bloody boring...what's wrong with the scenic route? Metaphor exhausted.

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  • MikeB
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    All caught up.

    All said regarding writers, producers, actors, directors, viewers, readers, etc. are what I remember, my opinions, etc.





    * Again, the Space Frak would have been relatively great storytelling if Angel was dusted after BtVS 8.39.



    Originally posted by KingofCretins View Post
    The robot-copout-abortion-PSA nonsense of Season 9 managed to pull of the pretty delightful feat of alienating everybody that read it to some degree... and as a bonus, it was totally superfluous to the general progression of the plot.
    The abortion storyline brought Buffy/Spike closer, had Spike leaving BtVS S9 to have his miniseries and be on A&F S9, had Buffy's truly considering whether she'd rather be with a human or be with Spike, etc. The abortion storyline was very important to the plot.

    I'm curious if you equate Buffy's wanting an abortion with Angel's wanting all the world and all its life-barring Buffy and him--destroyed.

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  • KingofCretins
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    It's an interesting quandry. Does it make it better, or worse, that the spacefrak happened as the penultimate plot twist of the entire season, that it was bound up in the general theme they were trying to advance?

    I'm going to actually say the spacefrak was better, because while it utterly failed to stick the landing, while it actually derailed the final stretch of what had previously been a straining but still coherent narrative... it was at least right in the middle of the road they were going through. The robot-copout-abortion-PSA nonsense of Season 9 managed to pull of the pretty delightful feat of alienating everybody that read it to some degree... and as a bonus, it was totally superfluous to the general progression of the plot.

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  • Silver1
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    I agree the space f*ck was a huuuge low point in the franchise imo. What with the insane plot and horrible ugly artwork made me be embarrassed to say I was a Buffy fan.

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  • TimeTravellingBunny
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    Originally posted by Priceless View Post
    It really doesn't bother me. I think if I'd be reading it at the time it might have upset me thinking that after all Twilight had done, Buffy and he were going to get together. But because I know what happens afterwards, I can live with the space sex. It's the end of their relationship in many ways, the final goodbye that allows Buffy to grow up and move on.
    Issue 35 is still absolute trash.
    Come on - Giles spouting completely ridiculous exposition jn between Jeanty's hilariously unsexy sex panels?
    If it had been meant as a parody, it would be fantastic. But Tommy Wiseau also tries to claim he always meant The Room as a parodic comedy, and no one believes him.

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  • MikeB
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    All caught up

    All said regarding writers, producers, actors, directors, viewers, readers, etc. are what I remember, my opinions, etc.





    * Buffy was “controlled” into having sex with AngelTwilight. Why do people still want to blame Buffy and Angel around equally for the Space Sex?





    TimeTravellingBunny

    * The problem with the Space Sex is the aftermath widely more than the Space Sex itself and the lovey dovey talk between Buffy and Angel.

    Angel got to do all that destruction and death, have sex with Buffy, and essentially have less than zero consequences. He gets rewarded for his actions.


    * Spike didn’t know the Buffy-Buffybot wasn’t actual ‘flesh and blood’. I always considered that the body functioned like a ‘normal’ body and that’s how Buffy didn’t know she was in a robot body. My concern has always been how the Buffybot exactly matched Buffy’s ‘private areas’.



    GoSpuffy

    * Buffy didn’t dust Angel after BtVS 8.39. And Season 12 ends with Buffy single. So, Buffy/Angel wasn’t fully ended.

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  • TriBel
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    It really doesn't bother me.
    Hmph...you're odd! Her toes curl up. On reflection - "toe-curling" is very appropriate.

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  • Priceless
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    It really doesn't bother me. I think if I'd be reading it at the time it might have upset me thinking that after all Twilight had done, Buffy and he were going to get together. But because I know what happens afterwards, I can live with the space sex. It's the end of their relationship in many ways, the final goodbye that allows Buffy to grow up and move on.

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  • TriBel
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    Originally posted by Priceless View Post
    I've read S8 three times now and each time it gets better. The space sex is crazy and the whole Twilight thing makes very little sense, but overall Season 8 is pretty good. The space sex is the worst thing in it. The more you read Season 9, the more it falls apart. It's got long periods of dullness, it's got new characters that you don't really care about and some of themes just get lost in the whole. But the robot-abortion is one of the few highlights of a pretty mediocre season.
    I don't mind the Twilight arc - I get the point they're making and find it directly inferable from what I know of Angel's past and understand of the philosophy of history. But I didn't need to see it! It scorched my eyeballs! I think some of the ideas came from Marx's Eighteenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte. I'd rather be forced to learn Klingon in order to read the Eighteenth Brumaire in Klingon, than to be forced to see those images again. *Shudder*.

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  • Priceless
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    I've read S8 three times now and each time it gets better. The space sex is crazy and the whole Twilight thing makes very little sense, but overall Season 8 is pretty good. The space sex is the worst thing in it. The more you read Season 9, the more it falls apart. It's got long periods of dullness, it's got new characters that you don't really care about and some of themes just get lost in the whole. But the robot-abortion is one of the few highlights of a pretty mediocre season.

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  • HardlyThere
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    Originally posted by Lostsoul666 View Post
    Buffy and Angel's flying god sex.

    It just completely took me out of the story, plus the whole "Twilight" story arc permanently damaged both Buffy and Angel(especially Angel giving how much they tried to backpedal)as characters.
    See, I have to disagree a bit here. It wasn't 31-35 that did that. It was 1-30. It seems like people point at the space sex as The Thing. The over-the-top stupidity that ruined everything. But take that same thing and put it in a bed like Meltzer supposedly intended. Is it less stupid? Is S8 saved? No. The Twilight arc is just the point where it became obvious that there was no great explanation or reveal to save it. S8 definitely ruined those characters, but it happened way before #34.

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  • Willow from Buffy
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    Robobotion was the worst cop out in Buffy history and the story that followed was silly and boring.

    The space sex was kinda amusing and it came at the end of a very strange season, so I didn't mind that much. The robobotion happened at a point where I was really enjoying the comics.

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