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BtVS and Angel Episode Elimination Based on Writers

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  • #16
    Very average episodes IMO.

    + The Dark Age
    - Killed by Death

    The Puppet Show - 6
    The Dark Age - 7
    Phases - 5
    Killed By Death - 7

    Reset at:
    NONE

    Eliminated:

    05. Never Kill A Boy on the First Date

    Winners
    Rob Des Hotel & Dean Batali: ???
    Shawn Ryan: ???
    Jeannine Renshaw: ???
    Rebeca Rand Kirshner: ???
    Drew Z. Greenberg: ???
    Howard Gordon: ???
    Mere Smith: ???
    Ben Edlund: ???
    Elizabeth Craft & Sarah Fain: ???
    Drew Goddard: ???
    Steven S. DeKnight: ???
    Jeffrey Bell: ???
    David Fury: ???
    Jane Espenson: ???
    Marti Noxon: ???
    Doug Petrie: ???
    David Greenwalt: ???
    Tim Minear: ???
    Joss Whedon: ???

    Comment


    • #17
      + Phases
      - The Puppet Show

      The Puppet Show - 5
      The Dark Age - 7
      Phases - 6
      Killed By Death - 7

      Reset at:
      NONE

      Eliminated:

      05. Never Kill A Boy on the First Date

      Winners
      Rob Des Hotel & Dean Batali: ???
      Shawn Ryan: ???
      Jeannine Renshaw: ???
      Rebeca Rand Kirshner: ???
      Drew Z. Greenberg: ???
      Howard Gordon: ???
      Mere Smith: ???
      Ben Edlund: ???
      Elizabeth Craft & Sarah Fain: ???
      Drew Goddard: ???
      Steven S. DeKnight: ???
      Jeffrey Bell: ???
      David Fury: ???
      Jane Espenson: ???
      Marti Noxon: ???
      Doug Petrie: ???
      David Greenwalt: ???
      Tim Minear: ???
      Joss Whedon: ???
      - "The earth is doomed" -

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      • #18
        + Phases
        - Killed By Death

        The Puppet Show - 5
        The Dark Age - 7
        Phases - 7
        Killed By Death - 6

        Reset at:
        NONE

        Eliminated:

        05. Never Kill A Boy on the First Date

        Winners
        Rob Des Hotel & Dean Batali: ???
        Shawn Ryan: ???
        Jeannine Renshaw: ???
        Rebeca Rand Kirshner: ???
        Drew Z. Greenberg: ???
        Howard Gordon: ???
        Mere Smith: ???
        Ben Edlund: ???
        Elizabeth Craft & Sarah Fain: ???
        Drew Goddard: ???
        Steven S. DeKnight: ???
        Jeffrey Bell: ???
        David Fury: ???
        Jane Espenson: ???
        Marti Noxon: ???
        Doug Petrie: ???
        David Greenwalt: ???
        Tim Minear: ???
        Joss Whedon: ???

        Comment


        • #19
          + The Puppet Show
          - Phases

          The Puppet Show - 6
          The Dark Age - 7
          Phases - 6
          Killed By Death - 6

          Reset at:
          NONE

          Eliminated:

          05. Never Kill A Boy on the First Date

          Winners
          Rob Des Hotel & Dean Batali: ???
          Shawn Ryan: ???
          Jeannine Renshaw: ???
          Rebeca Rand Kirshner: ???
          Drew Z. Greenberg: ???
          Howard Gordon: ???
          Mere Smith: ???
          Ben Edlund: ???
          Elizabeth Craft & Sarah Fain: ???
          Drew Goddard: ???
          Steven S. DeKnight: ???
          Jeffrey Bell: ???
          David Fury: ???
          Jane Espenson: ???
          Marti Noxon: ???
          Doug Petrie: ???
          David Greenwalt: ???
          Tim Minear: ???
          Joss Whedon: ???
          sigpic

          Comment


          • #20
            + The Puppet Show
            - KBD

            The Puppet Show - 7
            The Dark Age - 7
            Phases - 6
            Killed By Death - 5

            Reset at:
            NONE

            Eliminated:

            05. Never Kill A Boy on the First Date

            Winners
            Rob Des Hotel & Dean Batali: ???
            Shawn Ryan: ???
            Jeannine Renshaw: ???
            Rebeca Rand Kirshner: ???
            Drew Z. Greenberg: ???
            Howard Gordon: ???
            Mere Smith: ???
            Ben Edlund: ???
            Elizabeth Craft & Sarah Fain: ???
            Drew Goddard: ???
            Steven S. DeKnight: ???
            Jeffrey Bell: ???
            David Fury: ???
            Jane Espenson: ???
            Marti Noxon: ???
            Doug Petrie: ???
            David Greenwalt: ???
            Tim Minear: ???
            Joss Whedon: ???
            sigpic
            "I don't want to be this good-looking and athletic. We all have crosses to bear." Banner Credit: Vampmogs

            Comment


            • #21
              I really don't know to which episode i should to give a + and to which a -

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              • #22
                - The Puppet Show
                + The Dark Age

                The Puppet Show - 6
                The Dark Age - 8
                Phases - 6
                Killed By Death - 5

                Reset at:
                NONE

                Eliminated:

                05. Never Kill A Boy on the First Date

                Winners
                Rob Des Hotel & Dean Batali: ???
                Shawn Ryan: ???
                Jeannine Renshaw: ???
                Rebeca Rand Kirshner: ???
                Drew Z. Greenberg: ???
                Howard Gordon: ???
                Mere Smith: ???
                Ben Edlund: ???
                Elizabeth Craft & Sarah Fain: ???
                Drew Goddard: ???
                Steven S. DeKnight: ???
                Jeffrey Bell: ???
                David Fury: ???
                Jane Espenson: ???
                Marti Noxon: ???
                Doug Petrie: ???
                David Greenwalt: ???
                Tim Minear: ???
                Joss Whedon: ???
                sigpic
                NOT FADE AWAY

                An Angel continuity/crossover with Power Rangers
                Coming Soon!!

                Comment


                • #23
                  Are we going to include the comics? I think we should in this case, since it's about writing credits.
                  You keep waiting for the dust to settle and then you realize it; the dust is your life going on. If happy comes along - that weird unbearable delight that's actual happy - I think you have to grab it while you can. You take what you can get, 'cause it's here, and then...gone.

                  Comment


                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Enisy View Post
                    We all know Joss is gonna win this in the end, but the getting there could still be fun...
                    See, I hope with this set-up it isn't set in stone that Joss will win. When we vote for the best writer overall, we aren't supposed to even think about who wrote the episode, just vote for the better episode. Therefore, Joss' best episode may not be as good as other people's best episode. Just for example, Jeffrey Bell co-wrote Not Fade Away with Whedon so therefore that'll probably be his winning episode, giving him a shot at winning. I think it'll be interesting to see how everything falls in the end due to this set-up.

                    I'm going with Killed by Death. I love the MOTW. Surprising, I know, but I found it to be genuinely scary and interesting. I love the ideas in the episode, and all the Angelus stuff in it is also fantastic. The Dark Age is a very poor Giles episode, IMO. I like The Puppet Show for its hilarious ending and the fact that it's entertaining. But Sid the Dummy is so bad. And I also like Phases for the Xander/Buffy stuff and the Willow/Oz stuff, but again, the poor MOTW brings it down too much. But I wouldn't call any of these episodes memorable.

                    + Killed By Death
                    - The Dark Age

                    The Puppet Show - 6
                    The Dark Age - 7
                    Phases - 6
                    Killed By Death - 6

                    Reset at:
                    NONE

                    Eliminated:

                    05. Never Kill A Boy on the First Date

                    Winners
                    Rob Des Hotel & Dean Batali: ???
                    Shawn Ryan: ???
                    Jeannine Renshaw: ???
                    Rebeca Rand Kirshner: ???
                    Drew Z. Greenberg: ???
                    Howard Gordon: ???
                    Mere Smith: ???
                    Ben Edlund: ???
                    Elizabeth Craft & Sarah Fain: ???
                    Drew Goddard: ???
                    Steven S. DeKnight: ???
                    Jeffrey Bell: ???
                    David Fury: ???
                    Jane Espenson: ???
                    Marti Noxon: ???
                    Doug Petrie: ???
                    David Greenwalt: ???
                    Tim Minear: ???
                    Joss Whedon: ???

                    Comment


                    • #25
                      Originally posted by TimeTravellingBunny View Post
                      Are we going to include the comics? I think we should in this case, since it's about writing credits.
                      But again, not everyone has read them and some people are biased, etc. I know that for me, if the comics are included, I would vote them out immediately because I just don't hold them up to the level of the television show because I hate the medium. So I haven't even read all the issues because I don't like comics.

                      Also, how can you compare a 40 minute episode to a 20 page book? Also, would you count the issues individually or arcs as one episode? Because if it's one whole arc versus a standalone, doesn't the arc immediately stand a better chance at winning? I don't know, I would vote against it, but what does everyone else think?

                      Comment


                      • #26
                        Originally posted by BlasterBoy View Post
                        But again, not everyone has read them and some people are biased, etc. I know that for me, if the comics are included, I would vote them out immediately because I just don't hold them up to the level of the television show because I hate the medium. So I haven't even read all the issues because I don't like comics.

                        Also, how can you compare a 40 minute episode to a 20 page book? Also, would you count the issues individually or arcs as one episode? Because if it's one whole arc versus a standalone, doesn't the arc immediately stand a better chance at winning? I don't know, I would vote against it, but what does everyone else think?
                        I say we count them the same way we did in the S8 part of the Best episode elimination game. Quite a few of the S8 issues are among my favorite Joss writings and I'd pick them over stuff like A Hole in the World any day of the week.

                        edit: and let's not forget Fray. Maybe other canon stuff like Tales of the Slayers or Tales of the Vampires as well.
                        Last edited by TimeTravellingBunny; 27-04-11, 03:35 AM.
                        You keep waiting for the dust to settle and then you realize it; the dust is your life going on. If happy comes along - that weird unbearable delight that's actual happy - I think you have to grab it while you can. You take what you can get, 'cause it's here, and then...gone.

                        Comment


                        • #27
                          + Killed By Death
                          - The Dark Age

                          The Puppet Show - 6
                          The Dark Age - 6
                          Phases - 6
                          Killed By Death - 7

                          Reset at:
                          NONE

                          Eliminated:

                          05. Never Kill A Boy on the First Date

                          Winners
                          Rob Des Hotel & Dean Batali: ???
                          Shawn Ryan: ???
                          Jeannine Renshaw: ???
                          Rebeca Rand Kirshner: ???
                          Drew Z. Greenberg: ???
                          Howard Gordon: ???
                          Mere Smith: ???
                          Ben Edlund: ???
                          Elizabeth Craft & Sarah Fain: ???
                          Drew Goddard: ???
                          Steven S. DeKnight: ???
                          Jeffrey Bell: ???
                          David Fury: ???
                          Jane Espenson: ???
                          Marti Noxon: ???
                          Doug Petrie: ???
                          David Greenwalt: ???
                          Tim Minear: ???
                          Joss Whedon: ???
                          sigpic

                          Comment


                          • #28
                            + Killed By Death
                            - The Puppet Show

                            The Puppet Show - 5
                            The Dark Age - 6
                            Phases - 6
                            Killed By Death - 8

                            Reset at:
                            NONE

                            Eliminated:

                            05. Never Kill A Boy on the First Date

                            Winners
                            Rob Des Hotel & Dean Batali: ???
                            Shawn Ryan: ???
                            Jeannine Renshaw: ???
                            Rebeca Rand Kirshner: ???
                            Drew Z. Greenberg: ???
                            Howard Gordon: ???
                            Mere Smith: ???
                            Ben Edlund: ???
                            Elizabeth Craft & Sarah Fain: ???
                            Drew Goddard: ???
                            Steven S. DeKnight: ???
                            Jeffrey Bell: ???
                            David Fury: ???
                            Jane Espenson: ???
                            Marti Noxon: ???
                            Doug Petrie: ???
                            David Greenwalt: ???
                            Tim Minear: ???
                            Joss Whedon: ???
                            sigpic
                            NOT FADE AWAY

                            An Angel continuity/crossover with Power Rangers
                            Coming Soon!!

                            Comment


                            • #29
                              I also vote for including the comics. Folks who don't like them can just vote them down! Also, I think we should have a final category for all episodes that didn't get written by a regular writer -- e.g. Normal Again)

                              + Puppet Show
                              - KBD

                              The Puppet Show - 6
                              The Dark Age - 6
                              Phases - 6
                              Killed By Death - 7

                              Reset at:
                              NONE

                              Eliminated:

                              05. Never Kill A Boy on the First Date

                              Winners
                              Rob Des Hotel & Dean Batali: ???
                              Shawn Ryan: ???
                              Jeannine Renshaw: ???
                              Rebeca Rand Kirshner: ???
                              Drew Z. Greenberg: ???
                              Howard Gordon: ???
                              Mere Smith: ???
                              Ben Edlund: ???
                              Elizabeth Craft & Sarah Fain: ???
                              Drew Goddard: ???
                              Steven S. DeKnight: ???
                              Jeffrey Bell: ???
                              David Fury: ???
                              Jane Espenson: ???
                              Marti Noxon: ???
                              Doug Petrie: ???
                              David Greenwalt: ???
                              Tim Minear: ???
                              Joss Whedon: ???
                              sigpic
                              "I don't want to be this good-looking and athletic. We all have crosses to bear." Banner Credit: Vampmogs

                              Comment


                              • #30
                                Maggie, I'm up for the guest writer thing. That could be fun because Passion would also be in the game.

                                Originally posted by TimeTravellingBunny View Post
                                edit: and let's not forget Fray. Maybe other canon stuff like Tales of the Slayers or Tales of the Vampires as well.
                                I can deal with S8, but isn't this a bit much? It isn't really part of either show even if it is considered canon...

                                + Killed By Death
                                - The Dark Age

                                The Puppet Show - 6
                                The Dark Age - 5
                                Phases - 6
                                Killed By Death - 8

                                Reset at:
                                NONE

                                Eliminated:

                                05. Never Kill A Boy on the First Date

                                Winners
                                Rob Des Hotel & Dean Batali: ???
                                Shawn Ryan: ???
                                Jeannine Renshaw: ???
                                Rebeca Rand Kirshner: ???
                                Drew Z. Greenberg: ???
                                Howard Gordon: ???
                                Mere Smith: ???
                                Ben Edlund: ???
                                Elizabeth Craft & Sarah Fain: ???
                                Drew Goddard: ???
                                Steven S. DeKnight: ???
                                Jeffrey Bell: ???
                                David Fury: ???
                                Jane Espenson: ???
                                Marti Noxon: ???
                                Doug Petrie: ???
                                David Greenwalt: ???
                                Tim Minear: ???
                                Joss Whedon: ???

                                Comment

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