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  • BtVS and Angel Episode Elimination Based on Writers

    We talked about this a bit in the Perfect Season thread, but I thought I might as well start it. We will go writer by writer, picking their best episode with the elimination process. At the end of it all we will pit all the writers (through the form of their winning episode) against each other and we'll see who wins. Thought it might be neat! I've used the writer as the person that the script credits. For story by/teleplay by, I've credited it to the person who wrote the teleplay. For co-written episodes, both writers get credit for the episode (therefore, there will be repeats). Let's go! I have the order listed below, but let's start with: Rob Des Hotel & Dean Batali. It's a short one so I wrote NONE for the resets. Tell me if I'm missing anyone. Also: vote every THREE people.

    Never Kill a Boy on the First Date - 5
    The Puppet Show - 5
    The Dark Age - 5
    Phases - 5
    Killed By Death - 5

    Reset at:
    NONE

    Eliminated:

    Winners
    Rob Des Hotel & Dean Batali: ???
    Shawn Ryan: ???
    Jeannine Renshaw: ???
    Rebeca Rand Kirshner: ???
    Drew Z. Greenberg: ???
    Howard Gordon: ???
    Mere Smith: ???
    Ben Edlund: ???
    Elizabeth Craft & Sarah Fain: ???
    Drew Goddard: ???
    Steven S. DeKnight: ???
    Jeffrey Bell: ???
    David Fury: ???
    Jane Espenson: ???
    Marti Noxon: ???
    Doug Petrie: ???
    David Greenwalt: ???
    Tim Minear: ???
    Joss Whedon: ???

  • #2
    I'll start.

    + Killed By Death
    - Never Kill a Boy on the First Date

    Never Kill a Boy on the First Date - 4
    The Puppet Show - 5
    The Dark Age - 5
    Phases - 5
    Killed By Death - 6

    Reset at:
    NONE

    Eliminated:

    Winners
    Rob Des Hotel & Dean Batali: ???
    Shawn Ryan: ???
    Jeannine Renshaw: ???
    Rebeca Rand Kirshner: ???
    Drew Z. Greenberg: ???
    Howard Gordon: ???
    Mere Smith: ???
    Ben Edlund: ???
    Elizabeth Craft & Sarah Fain: ???
    Drew Goddard: ???
    Steven S. DeKnight: ???
    Jeffrey Bell: ???
    David Fury: ???
    Jane Espenson: ???
    Marti Noxon: ???
    Doug Petrie: ???
    David Greenwalt: ???
    Tim Minear: ???
    Joss Whedon: ???

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    • #3
      None of these episodes are all that great really. Well, at least The Puppet Show has a very funny ending (or two).

      + The Puppet Show (What is this, avantgarde? I don't understand it.)
      - Never Kill a Boy on the First Date (it's OK, but I suppose we have to eliminate something first and I don't remember the S2 episodes well enough).

      Never Kill a Boy on the First Date - 3
      The Puppet Show - 6
      The Dark Age - 5
      Phases - 5
      Killed By Death - 6

      Reset at:
      NONE

      Eliminated:

      Winners
      Rob Des Hotel & Dean Batali: ???
      Shawn Ryan: ???
      Jeannine Renshaw: ???
      Rebeca Rand Kirshner: ???
      Drew Z. Greenberg: ???
      Howard Gordon: ???
      Mere Smith: ???
      Ben Edlund: ???
      Elizabeth Craft & Sarah Fain: ???
      Drew Goddard: ???
      Steven S. DeKnight: ???
      Jeffrey Bell: ???
      David Fury: ???
      Jane Espenson: ???
      Marti Noxon: ???
      Doug Petrie: ???
      David Greenwalt: ???
      Tim Minear: ???
      Joss Whedon: ???
      You keep waiting for the dust to settle and then you realize it; the dust is your life going on. If happy comes along - that weird unbearable delight that's actual happy - I think you have to grab it while you can. You take what you can get, 'cause it's here, and then...gone.

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      • #4
        + The Dark Age
        - The Puppet Show

        Never Kill a Boy on the First Date - 3
        The Puppet Show - 5
        The Dark Age - 6
        Phases - 5
        Killed By Death - 6

        Reset at:
        NONE

        Eliminated:

        Winners
        Rob Des Hotel & Dean Batali: ???
        Shawn Ryan: ???
        Jeannine Renshaw: ???
        Rebeca Rand Kirshner: ???
        Drew Z. Greenberg: ???
        Howard Gordon: ???
        Mere Smith: ???
        Ben Edlund: ???
        Elizabeth Craft & Sarah Fain: ???
        Drew Goddard: ???
        Steven S. DeKnight: ???
        Jeffrey Bell: ???
        David Fury: ???
        Jane Espenson: ???
        Marti Noxon: ???
        Doug Petrie: ???
        David Greenwalt: ???
        Tim Minear: ???
        Joss Whedon: ???
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        NOT FADE AWAY

        An Angel continuity/crossover with Power Rangers
        Coming Soon!!

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        • #5
          + The Puppet Show
          - Never Kill a Boy on the First Date

          Never Kill a Boy on the First Date - 2
          The Puppet Show - 6
          The Dark Age - 6
          Phases - 5
          Killed By Death - 6

          Reset at:
          NONE

          Eliminated:

          Winners
          Rob Des Hotel & Dean Batali: ???
          Shawn Ryan: ???
          Jeannine Renshaw: ???
          Rebeca Rand Kirshner: ???
          Drew Z. Greenberg: ???
          Howard Gordon: ???
          Mere Smith: ???
          Ben Edlund: ???
          Elizabeth Craft & Sarah Fain: ???
          Drew Goddard: ???
          Steven S. DeKnight: ???
          Jeffrey Bell: ???
          David Fury: ???
          Jane Espenson: ???
          Marti Noxon: ???
          Doug Petrie: ???
          David Greenwalt: ???
          Tim Minear: ???
          Joss Whedon: ???
          sigpic

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          • #6
            + The Puppet Show
            - Never Kill a Boy on the First Date

            Never Kill a Boy on the First Date - 1
            The Puppet Show - 7
            The Dark Age - 6
            Phases - 5
            Killed By Death - 6

            Reset at:
            NONE

            Eliminated:

            Winners
            Rob Des Hotel & Dean Batali: ???
            Shawn Ryan: ???
            Jeannine Renshaw: ???
            Rebeca Rand Kirshner: ???
            Drew Z. Greenberg: ???
            Howard Gordon: ???
            Mere Smith: ???
            Ben Edlund: ???
            Elizabeth Craft & Sarah Fain: ???
            Drew Goddard: ???
            Steven S. DeKnight: ???
            Jeffrey Bell: ???
            David Fury: ???
            Jane Espenson: ???
            Marti Noxon: ???
            Doug Petrie: ???
            David Greenwalt: ???
            Tim Minear: ???
            Joss Whedon: ???
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            "I don't want to be this good-looking and athletic. We all have crosses to bear." Banner Credit: Vampmogs

            Comment


            • #7
              + Phases
              - Never Kill a Boy on the First Date (gone)

              The Puppet Show - 7
              The Dark Age - 6
              Phases - 6
              Killed By Death - 6

              Reset at:
              NONE

              Eliminated:

              05. Never Kill A Boy on the First Date

              Winners
              Rob Des Hotel & Dean Batali: ???
              Shawn Ryan: ???
              Jeannine Renshaw: ???
              Rebeca Rand Kirshner: ???
              Drew Z. Greenberg: ???
              Howard Gordon: ???
              Mere Smith: ???
              Ben Edlund: ???
              Elizabeth Craft & Sarah Fain: ???
              Drew Goddard: ???
              Steven S. DeKnight: ???
              Jeffrey Bell: ???
              David Fury: ???
              Jane Espenson: ???
              Marti Noxon: ???
              Doug Petrie: ???
              David Greenwalt: ???
              Tim Minear: ???
              Joss Whedon: ???
              "The earth is doomed!" - Banner by Nina

              Comment


              • #8
                + The Dark Age
                - Killed By Death

                The Puppet Show - 7
                The Dark Age - 7
                Phases - 6
                Killed By Death - 5

                Reset at:
                NONE

                Eliminated:

                05. Never Kill A Boy on the First Date

                Winners
                Rob Des Hotel & Dean Batali: ???
                Shawn Ryan: ???
                Jeannine Renshaw: ???
                Rebeca Rand Kirshner: ???
                Drew Z. Greenberg: ???
                Howard Gordon: ???
                Mere Smith: ???
                Ben Edlund: ???
                Elizabeth Craft & Sarah Fain: ???
                Drew Goddard: ???
                Steven S. DeKnight: ???
                Jeffrey Bell: ???
                David Fury: ???
                Jane Espenson: ???
                Marti Noxon: ???
                Doug Petrie: ???
                David Greenwalt: ???
                Tim Minear: ???
                Joss Whedon: ???

                Comment


                • #9
                  + Killed By Death
                  - Phases

                  The Puppet Show - 7
                  The Dark Age - 7
                  Phases - 5
                  Killed By Death - 6

                  Reset at:
                  NONE

                  Eliminated:

                  05. Never Kill A Boy on the First Date

                  Winners
                  Rob Des Hotel & Dean Batali: ???
                  Shawn Ryan: ???
                  Jeannine Renshaw: ???
                  Rebeca Rand Kirshner: ???
                  Drew Z. Greenberg: ???
                  Howard Gordon: ???
                  Mere Smith: ???
                  Ben Edlund: ???
                  Elizabeth Craft & Sarah Fain: ???
                  Drew Goddard: ???
                  Steven S. DeKnight: ???
                  Jeffrey Bell: ???
                  David Fury: ???
                  Jane Espenson: ???
                  Marti Noxon: ???
                  Doug Petrie: ???
                  David Greenwalt: ???
                  Tim Minear: ???
                  Joss Whedon: ???
                  sigpic

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    Yeah, these guys basically wrote a bunch of 'meh' episodes.

                    + Killed By Death
                    - The Dark Age

                    The Puppet Show - 7
                    The Dark Age - 6
                    Phases - 5
                    Killed By Death - 7

                    Reset at:
                    NONE

                    Eliminated:

                    05. Never Kill A Boy on the First Date

                    Winners
                    Rob Des Hotel & Dean Batali: ???
                    Shawn Ryan: ???
                    Jeannine Renshaw: ???
                    Rebeca Rand Kirshner: ???
                    Drew Z. Greenberg: ???
                    Howard Gordon: ???
                    Mere Smith: ???
                    Ben Edlund: ???
                    Elizabeth Craft & Sarah Fain: ???
                    Drew Goddard: ???
                    Steven S. DeKnight: ???
                    Jeffrey Bell: ???
                    David Fury: ???
                    Jane Espenson: ???
                    Marti Noxon: ???
                    Doug Petrie: ???
                    David Greenwalt: ???
                    Tim Minear: ???
                    Joss Whedon: ???

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      What is it about The Puppet Show that people like so much? I'm not being judgmental, I'm just genuinely surprised that it received so many votes as I honestly thought it would be one of the first to go?

                      + Phases
                      - The Dark Age

                      The Puppet Show - 7
                      The Dark Age - 5
                      Phases - 6
                      Killed By Death - 7

                      Reset at:
                      NONE

                      Eliminated:

                      05. Never Kill A Boy on the First Date

                      Winners
                      Rob Des Hotel & Dean Batali: ???
                      Shawn Ryan: ???
                      Jeannine Renshaw: ???
                      Rebeca Rand Kirshner: ???
                      Drew Z. Greenberg: ???
                      Howard Gordon: ???
                      Mere Smith: ???
                      Ben Edlund: ???
                      Elizabeth Craft & Sarah Fain: ???
                      Drew Goddard: ???
                      Steven S. DeKnight: ???
                      Jeffrey Bell: ???
                      David Fury: ???
                      Jane Espenson: ???
                      Marti Noxon: ???
                      Doug Petrie: ???
                      David Greenwalt: ???
                      Tim Minear: ???
                      Joss Whedon: ???
                      "The earth is doomed!" - Banner by Nina

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        Originally posted by vampmogs View Post
                        What is it about The Puppet Show that people like so much? I'm not being judgmental, I'm just genuinely surprised that it received so many votes as I honestly thought it would be one of the first to go?
                        I don't know about the others, I just voted for it because it has a funny/memorable ending (the whole episode is really memorable mostly just for Snyder's introduction and some of his lines)... The others don't really have any memorable scenes or lines I can think of, even though I remember what they were about and what happened.
                        Last edited by TimeTravellingBunny; 26-04-11, 01:59 PM.
                        You keep waiting for the dust to settle and then you realize it; the dust is your life going on. If happy comes along - that weird unbearable delight that's actual happy - I think you have to grab it while you can. You take what you can get, 'cause it's here, and then...gone.

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          Thanks for explaining! I hope I didn't come across as judgmental I was just really surprised because I always thought people would hate that episode.

                          It's a toss up for me between Phases and Killed by Death. I really like Phases for the scenes where Buffy kicks Larry's arse in self-defense training, when Larry comes out as gay, when Xander dusts Theresa and for the final scene between Willow/Oz. I also really like Killed by Death for the opening scene when the Scoobies save Buffy from Angel, the incredible standoff between Angel/Xander, and the exploration of all the complex S2 triangles.

                          I think in the end I might actually go for Phases. I'm guessing I'll be the only one who will be voting for it but I really do enjoy that episode a lot. I like the B-Grade horror movie feel of S2 and it has some really great moments, such as;

                          Giles: (quietly) Anything yet?

                          Buffy: (quietly) Yes. And you won't believe what I saw. Brittany Podell was totally making out with Owen Stadeel, but he goes with Barrett Williams. (gets a look from Giles) If she ever found... No, um, no, no sign of the werewolf. How about you?


                          I love when Buffy gets to be cute and silly!
                          "The earth is doomed!" - Banner by Nina

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                          • #14
                            We all know Joss is gonna win this in the end, but the getting there could still be fun...

                            + Killed by Death
                            - The Puppet Show

                            The Puppet Show - 6
                            The Dark Age - 5
                            Phases - 6
                            Killed By Death - 8

                            Reset at:
                            NONE

                            Eliminated:

                            05. Never Kill A Boy on the First Date

                            Winners
                            Rob Des Hotel & Dean Batali: ???
                            Shawn Ryan: ???
                            Jeannine Renshaw: ???
                            Rebeca Rand Kirshner: ???
                            Drew Z. Greenberg: ???
                            Howard Gordon: ???
                            Mere Smith: ???
                            Ben Edlund: ???
                            Elizabeth Craft & Sarah Fain: ???
                            Drew Goddard: ???
                            Steven S. DeKnight: ???
                            Jeffrey Bell: ???
                            David Fury: ???
                            Jane Espenson: ???
                            Marti Noxon: ???
                            Doug Petrie: ???
                            David Greenwalt: ???
                            Tim Minear: ???
                            Joss Whedon: ???

                            (set made by Francy for me)

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Enisy View Post
                              We all know Joss is gonna win this in the end, but the getting there could still be fun...
                              And there's the big hard question of who will be #2!

                              + The Dark Age
                              - Phases

                              The Puppet Show - 6
                              The Dark Age - 6
                              Phases - 5
                              Killed By Death - 8

                              Reset at:
                              NONE

                              Eliminated:

                              05. Never Kill A Boy on the First Date

                              Winners
                              Rob Des Hotel & Dean Batali: ???
                              Shawn Ryan: ???
                              Jeannine Renshaw: ???
                              Rebeca Rand Kirshner: ???
                              Drew Z. Greenberg: ???
                              Howard Gordon: ???
                              Mere Smith: ???
                              Ben Edlund: ???
                              Elizabeth Craft & Sarah Fain: ???
                              Drew Goddard: ???
                              Steven S. DeKnight: ???
                              Jeffrey Bell: ???
                              David Fury: ???
                              Jane Espenson: ???
                              Marti Noxon: ???
                              Doug Petrie: ???
                              David Greenwalt: ???
                              Tim Minear: ???
                              Joss Whedon: ???[/QUOTE]
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                              "I don't want to be this good-looking and athletic. We all have crosses to bear." Banner Credit: Vampmogs

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