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  • Ats Best Episodes - number edition

    It's a bit odd to have a reset when there are only 5 episodes every round. But having none doesn't seem right either. So I added one anyway, but feel free to challenge that decision. ^^


    +
    -


    City of ... - 5
    Judgement - 5
    Heartthrob - 5
    Deep Down - 5
    Conviction - 5

    Reset at:
    3

    Eliminated:
    5.

    Results:
    Winner of Episode 1:
    Winner of Episode 2:
    Winner of Episode 3:
    Winner of Episode 4:
    Winner of Episode 5:
    Winner of Episode 6:
    Winner of Episode 7:
    Winner of Episode 8:
    Winner of Episode 9:
    Winner of Episode 10:
    Winner of Episode 11:
    Winner of Episode 12:
    Winner of Episode 13:
    Winner of Episode 14:
    Winner of Episode 15:
    Winner of Episode 16:
    Winner of Episode 17:
    Winner of Episode 18:
    Winner of Episode 20:
    Winner of Episode 21:
    Winner of Episode 22:

  • #2
    [QUOTE=Nina;n694884]It's a bit odd to have a reset when there are only 5 episodes every round. But having none doesn't seem right either. So I added one anyway, but feel free to challenge that decision. ^^


    + Deep Down
    - Judgement


    City of ... - 5
    Judgement - 4
    Heartthrob - 5
    Deep Down - 6
    Conviction - 5

    Reset at:
    3

    Eliminated:
    5.

    Results:
    Winner of Episode 1:
    Winner of Episode 2:
    Winner of Episode 3:
    Winner of Episode 4:
    Winner of Episode 5:
    Winner of Episode 6:
    Winner of Episode 7:
    Winner of Episode 8:
    Winner of Episode 9:
    Winner of Episode 10:
    Winner of Episode 11:
    Winner of Episode 12:
    Winner of Episode 13:
    Winner of Episode 14:
    Winner of Episode 15:
    Winner of Episode 16:
    Winner of Episode 17:
    Winner of Episode 18:
    Winner of Episode 20:
    Winner of Episode 21:
    Winner of Episode 22:

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    • #3

      + Deep Down
      - Conviction


      City of ... - 5
      Judgement - 4
      Heartthrob - 5
      Deep Down - 7
      Conviction - 4

      Reset at:
      3

      Eliminated:
      5.

      Results:
      Winner of Episode 1:
      Winner of Episode 2:
      Winner of Episode 3:
      Winner of Episode 4:
      Winner of Episode 5:
      Winner of Episode 6:
      Winner of Episode 7:
      Winner of Episode 8:
      Winner of Episode 9:
      Winner of Episode 10:
      Winner of Episode 11:
      Winner of Episode 12:
      Winner of Episode 13:
      Winner of Episode 14:
      Winner of Episode 15:
      Winner of Episode 16:
      Winner of Episode 17:
      Winner of Episode 18:
      Winner of Episode 20:
      Winner of Episode 21:
      Winner of Episode 22:


      You keep waiting for the dust to settle and then you realize it; the dust is your life going on. If happy comes along - that weird unbearable delight that's actual happy - I think you have to grab it while you can. You take what you can get, 'cause it's here, and then...gone.

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      • #4
        I think having a reset is a good idea. I don't know S5 as well as the other seasons, I haven't rewatched that one yet. But I think I remember the eps well enough.


        + Deep Down
        - Judgement

        City of ... - 5
        Judgement - 3
        Heartthrob - 5
        Deep Down - 8
        Conviction - 4

        Reset at:
        3

        Eliminated:
        5.

        Results:
        Winner of Episode 1:
        Winner of Episode 2:
        Winner of Episode 3:
        Winner of Episode 4:
        Winner of Episode 5:
        Winner of Episode 6:
        Winner of Episode 7:
        Winner of Episode 8:
        Winner of Episode 9:
        Winner of Episode 10:
        Winner of Episode 11:
        Winner of Episode 12:
        Winner of Episode 13:
        Winner of Episode 14:
        Winner of Episode 15:
        Winner of Episode 16:
        Winner of Episode 17:
        Winner of Episode 18:
        Winner of Episode 20:
        Winner of Episode 21:
        Winner of Episode 22:

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        • #5
          I can't imagine Deep Down not winning this round. It's by far the best episode. But I'll give City of... some love, it's a fine introduction to the show and better than the other three.


          Conviction -
          City of... +


          City of ... - 6
          Judgement - 3
          Heartthrob - 5
          Deep Down - 8
          Conviction - 3

          Reset at:
          3

          Eliminated:
          5.

          Results:
          Winner of Episode 1:
          Winner of Episode 2:
          Winner of Episode 3:
          Winner of Episode 4:
          Winner of Episode 5:
          Winner of Episode 6:
          Winner of Episode 7:
          Winner of Episode 8:
          Winner of Episode 9:
          Winner of Episode 10:
          Winner of Episode 11:
          Winner of Episode 12:
          Winner of Episode 13:
          Winner of Episode 14:
          Winner of Episode 15:
          Winner of Episode 16:
          Winner of Episode 17:
          Winner of Episode 18:
          Winner of Episode 20:
          Winner of Episode 21:
          Winner of Episode 22:

          Comment


          • #6
            Deep Down is definitely the best of the openers.

            + Deep Down
            - Judgement


            City of ... - 6
            Judgement - 2
            Heartthrob - 5
            Deep Down - 9
            Conviction - 3

            Reset at:
            3

            Eliminated:
            5.

            Results:
            Winner of Episode 1:
            Winner of Episode 2:
            Winner of Episode 3:
            Winner of Episode 4:
            Winner of Episode 5:
            Winner of Episode 6:
            Winner of Episode 7:
            Winner of Episode 8:
            Winner of Episode 9:
            Winner of Episode 10:
            Winner of Episode 11:
            Winner of Episode 12:
            Winner of Episode 13:
            Winner of Episode 14:
            Winner of Episode 15:
            Winner of Episode 16:
            Winner of Episode 17:
            Winner of Episode 18:
            Winner of Episode 20:
            Winner of Episode 21:
            Winner of Episode 22:

            Comment


            • #7
              Deep Down is by far the best of these.
              But here's a point for Hearthrob, it has some good points.

              + Deep Down
              - Judgement


              City of ... - 6
              Judgement - 2
              Heartthrob - 6
              Deep Down - 9
              Conviction - 2

              Reset at:
              3

              Eliminated:
              5.

              Results:
              Winner of Episode 1:
              Winner of Episode 2:
              Winner of Episode 3:
              Winner of Episode 4:
              Winner of Episode 5:
              Winner of Episode 6:
              Winner of Episode 7:
              Winner of Episode 8:
              Winner of Episode 9:
              Winner of Episode 10:
              Winner of Episode 11:
              Winner of Episode 12:
              Winner of Episode 13:
              Winner of Episode 14:
              Winner of Episode 15:
              Winner of Episode 16:
              Winner of Episode 17:
              Winner of Episode 18:
              Winner of Episode 20:
              Winner of Episode 21:
              Winner of Episode 22:



              You keep waiting for the dust to settle and then you realize it; the dust is your life going on. If happy comes along - that weird unbearable delight that's actual happy - I think you have to grab it while you can. You take what you can get, 'cause it's here, and then...gone.

              Comment


              • #8
                I'm a bit surprised to see Conviction rate so low. I thought it was far stronger than at least Heartthrob (which I like) and Judgement (which is just ok - save for the Angel/Faith scene which is so lovely).

                + Conviction
                - Judgement


                City of ... - 6
                Judgement - 1
                Heartthrob - 6
                Deep Down - 9
                Conviction - 3

                Reset at:
                3

                Eliminated:
                5.

                Results:
                Winner of Episode 1:
                Winner of Episode 2:
                Winner of Episode 3:
                Winner of Episode 4:
                Winner of Episode 5:
                Winner of Episode 6:
                Winner of Episode 7:
                Winner of Episode 8:
                Winner of Episode 9:
                Winner of Episode 10:
                Winner of Episode 11:
                Winner of Episode 12:
                Winner of Episode 13:
                Winner of Episode 14:
                Winner of Episode 15:
                Winner of Episode 16:
                Winner of Episode 17:
                Winner of Episode 18:
                Winner of Episode 20:
                Winner of Episode 21:
                Winner of Episode 22:
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                • #9
                  + City Of
                  - Judgement *sentenced*


                  City of ... - 7
                  Heartthrob - 6
                  Deep Down - 9
                  Conviction - 3

                  Reset at:
                  3

                  Eliminated:
                  4.
                  5. Judgement

                  Results:
                  Winner of Episode 1:
                  Winner of Episode 2:
                  Winner of Episode 3:
                  Winner of Episode 4:
                  Winner of Episode 5:
                  Winner of Episode 6:
                  Winner of Episode 7:
                  Winner of Episode 8:
                  Winner of Episode 9:
                  Winner of Episode 10:
                  Winner of Episode 11:
                  Winner of Episode 12:
                  Winner of Episode 13:
                  Winner of Episode 14:
                  Winner of Episode 15:
                  Winner of Episode 16:
                  Winner of Episode 17:
                  Winner of Episode 18:
                  Winner of Episode 20:
                  Winner of Episode 21:
                  Winner of Episode 22:

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    Conviction is not a bad episode, but it does bore me. Heartthrob has the flashbacks and (IMO) it's an interesting combination with Bargaining.

                    Conviction -
                    City of... +

                    City of ... - 8
                    Heartthrob - 6
                    Deep Down - 9
                    Conviction - 2

                    Reset at:
                    3

                    Eliminated:
                    4.
                    5. Judgement

                    Results:
                    Winner of Episode 1:
                    Winner of Episode 2:
                    Winner of Episode 3:
                    Winner of Episode 4:
                    Winner of Episode 5:
                    Winner of Episode 6:
                    Winner of Episode 7:
                    Winner of Episode 8:
                    Winner of Episode 9:
                    Winner of Episode 10:
                    Winner of Episode 11:
                    Winner of Episode 12:
                    Winner of Episode 13:
                    Winner of Episode 14:
                    Winner of Episode 15:
                    Winner of Episode 16:
                    Winner of Episode 17:
                    Winner of Episode 18:
                    Winner of Episode 20:
                    Winner of Episode 21:
                    Winner of Episode 22:

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      + Deep Down
                      - Conviction

                      City of ... - 8
                      Heartthrob - 6
                      Deep Down - 10
                      Conviction - 1

                      Reset at:
                      3

                      Eliminated:
                      4.
                      5. Judgement

                      Results:
                      Winner of Episode 1:
                      Winner of Episode 2:
                      Winner of Episode 3:
                      Winner of Episode 4:
                      Winner of Episode 5:
                      Winner of Episode 6:
                      Winner of Episode 7:
                      Winner of Episode 8:
                      Winner of Episode 9:
                      Winner of Episode 10:
                      Winner of Episode 11:
                      Winner of Episode 12:
                      Winner of Episode 13:
                      Winner of Episode 14:
                      Winner of Episode 15:
                      Winner of Episode 16:
                      Winner of Episode 17:
                      Winner of Episode 18:
                      Winner of Episode 20:
                      Winner of Episode 21:
                      Winner of Episode 22:

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Nina View Post
                        Conviction is not a bad episode, but it does bore me. Heartthrob has the flashbacks and (IMO) it's an interesting combination with Bargaining. I consider it a reflection on the Scoobies and their decision to bring back Buffy (and all the actions to hide her death).
                        I agree the combination of Heartthrob and Bargaining is an interesting one, I love looking at the episodes together. The consideration Heartthrob gives to dealing with carrying on and realising you can is great, and it does feel to sit in direct opposition to the Scoobies choice of resurrecting Buffy. But there is also a degree to which Angel's escape to the monastry in response to the loss of Buffy is closer to a dramatic response, although lesser still than James' but in contrast to the scoobies continuing to patrol and fight. That reaches towards the idea of trying to help the people Buffy would have been, which is the conclusion that Angel and Cordelia reach as the one which would be honouring her. There are actions and choices that are questionable in both I think, but really that is why it is such a great combination for exploring some of the complexities of grief.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Stoney View Post

                          I agree the combination of Heartthrob and Bargaining is an interesting one, I love looking at the episodes together. The consideration Heartthrob gives to dealing with carrying on and realising you can is great, and it does feel to sit in direct opposition to the Scoobies choice of resurrecting Buffy. But there is also a degree to which Angel's escape to the monastry in response to the loss of Buffy is closer to a dramatic response, although lesser still than James' but in contrast to the scoobies continuing to patrol and fight. That reaches towards the idea of trying to help the people Buffy would have been, which is the conclusion that Angel and Cordelia reach as the one which would be honouring her. There are actions and choices that are questionable in both I think, but really that is why it is such a great combination for exploring some of the complexities of grief.

                          I always tought that he expected a massive emotional breakdown and that it just didn't happen. Not sure if it's a dramatic response to take some time off to grieve, especially if you expect to need it. He had the luxury that his team (well, Wesley's team at the time) could continue without him for a few months. So it's not like he left LA unprotected.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Nina View Post
                            I always read Angel's behaviour in Heartthrob, that he expected a massive emotional breakdown and that it just didn't happen. Not sure if it's a dramatic response to take some time off to grieve, especially if you expect to need it. He had the luxury that his team (well, Wesley's team at the time) could continue without him for a few months. So it's not like he left LA unprotected.
                            Oh no, I appreciate that he had the team to cover him and I'm not saying having time to grieve is wrong at all. It's just a contrast. But one which I think in great part comes from Angel not being part of the scoobies any more. If he'd been in Sunnydale I think he would have been doing what everyone else there was. But it is still true that the idea of continuing to fight is closer to what the scoobies were doing than how Angel opted to process his initial grief. They were just flawed in the aspect of accepting their loss. Angel was more distanced and so perhaps that was easier in that way too. It's just an observation that there are varying responses and coping mechanisms shown in both, but they are different situations and that of course plays into the choices the scoobies made as well. I think what they showed and considered between the two shows is interesting.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Stoney View Post

                              Oh no, I appreciate that he had the team to cover him and I'm not saying having time to grieve is wrong at all. It's just a contrast. But one which I think in great part comes from Angel not being part of the scoobies any more. If he'd been in Sunnydale I think he would have been doing what everyone else there was. But it is still true that the idea of continuing to fight is closer to what the scoobies were doing than how Angel opted to process his initial grief. They were just flawed in the aspect of accepting their loss. Angel was more distanced and so perhaps that was easier in that way too. It's just an observation that there are varying responses and coping mechanisms shown in both, but they are different situations and that of course plays into the choices the scoobies made as well. I think what they showed and considered between the two shows is interesting.
                              My guess is that I think the approach the Scoobies took, was more than just flawed. Like James, they were set on not moving on (just in a different way). They hid her body, used a bot version of her and decided not to inform Buffy's dad that his daughter was dead. (We see later on Team Angel do something that looks like it with Fred's death, showing that neither team is above this disturbing behaviour of hiding a death.). While Angel always planned on returning and continuing life. It just was easier than he thought it would be.

                              Giles is an odd figure in all of this. Buffy was his mission and with her death, he left all of it behind. He did not try to bring her back or hold on to her nor did he continue the fight.


                              Anyway, are you willing to vote so we can continue the game?

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                              • Stoney
                                Stoney commented
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                                I couldn't vote at that point as three people hadn't gone since I last voted, but now TTB has I will.
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