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  • Originally posted by Priceless View Post
    Post is far more appealing as a character than Gnarl, who isn't that interesting to me.
    I found Gnarl the best, scariest monster on the show, so he gets kudos for me for being unforgettable. That's just not the way I think of Post.

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    • TimeTravellingBunny
      TimeTravellingBunny commented
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      He's not as scary as the Gentlemen.
      But he's close.

    • Stoney
      Stoney commented
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      I'd place them the other way around as Gnarl's immobilisation scares me more than the lack of voice by The Gentleman, but both are the best of the monsters in the show by a long shot.

  • I largely agree with Stoney here:

    I would put first Doc and Gnarl: the first twists emotions and expectations in a way that
    encapsulate so many of the complexities of S5—and then, in his final appearance on
    the Tower, the way his smile and words both promise and threaten Dawn, offering both
    all she hopes, twisting it into all she dreads, provokes intense stomach-turning terror, the
    realization that all Buffy has done below, her besting of Glory, will be for naught. It is one
    of the most sinking moments, for me, in the entire series, and Joel Gray balances the
    nuances perfectly in his first approach to Dawn, in his casual besting of Spike, in the
    disturbing gentleness of his "Shallow cuts, shallow cuts"—

    Gnarl has always lingered with me not simply because of the way his creeping terror,
    his slow and painful violence insinuates its way through the surface of your own skin,
    but also because of the way he plays upon Willows deepest dread—not that she will
    be slowly skinned and eaten, enduring unbearable pain in the process—, not even
    that her abandonment by her friends has brought this upon her, although both are
    very much in play, very much resonate with her own guilt and fear in the wake of
    Dark Willow's violent transgressions (Spike: "Was it you?"). Even more, Gnarl plays
    upon her fear of becoming present, what it will cost. And, in the end, his voice just
    haunts me: its rhythms and tones render his skinning, his feeding, his infliction of
    pain and aloneness, his pleasure in doing all these things, so indelibly palpable.

    After them, I am torn between Holden and Kennedy. The first I find charming, and
    I value him for the way he draws Buffy out in ways that none of her friends can, brings
    her to utter inner conflicts that presage so much of what will happen in the season
    to come. Kennedy I do not like in the least, but I value her for the complications, of
    which I have written more than once, that she brings to Chosenness, the lack of
    ethics and lust for power that corrupt what she thinks to be but a desire to do good.

    After those four, well... Gwendolyn Post does have a certain value for what she
    draws out of Faith and exposes in Giles, but neither truly lingers for me: her manipulations
    and self-serving plots are, in the end, quite predictable (I saw them coming early
    in my first viewing of the episode), so nothing in her surprised or revealed much of
    depth to me... The real drama of that episode circles around the discovery of Angel
    by the Scoobies and their reaction—and that has nothing to do with Post.


    + Kennedy
    - Gwendolyn Post

    Doc - Forever/The Gift - 8
    Ethan Rayne - Halloween/A New Man - 6
    Ampata - Inca Mummy Girl/Inca Mummy Girl - 6
    Gnarl - Same Time, Same Place/Same Time, Same Place - 8
    Gwendolyn Post - Revelations/Revelations - 2
    Holden Webster - CWDP/CWDP - 7
    Kendra Young - What's My Line, part 1/Becoming, part 1 - 4
    Kennedy - Bring On The Night/Chosen - 5


    Reset at remaining:
    15
    9
    5

    Eliminated:
    08.
    09. Der Kindestod
    10. Kathy Newman
    11. Halfrek
    12. Dracula
    13. Hank Summers
    14. Ken
    15. Jesse McNally
    16. Hansel n' Gretel
    17. Graham Miller
    18. Kakistos
    19. Forrest Gates
    20. Eyghon


    Results:
    Round 1 top three: Catherine Madison - Witch/Witch, Chantarelle/Lily/Anne - Lie To Me/Anne, Billy Fordham - Lie to Me/Lie to Me
    Round 2 top three:
    Last edited by StateOfSiege97; 23-02-20, 03:49 PM.

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    • + Holden
      - Gwendolyn Post

      Doc - Forever/The Gift - 8
      Ethan Rayne - Halloween/A New Man - 6
      Ampata - Inca Mummy Girl/Inca Mummy Girl - 6
      Gnarl - Same Time, Same Place/Same Time, Same Place - 8
      Gwendolyn Post - Revelations/Revelations - 1
      Holden Webster - CWDP/CWDP - 8
      Kendra Young - What's My Line, part 1/Becoming, part 1 - 4
      Kennedy - Bring On The Night/Chosen - 5


      Reset at remaining:
      15
      9
      5

      Eliminated:
      08.
      09. Der Kindestod
      10. Kathy Newman
      11. Halfrek
      12. Dracula
      13. Hank Summers
      14. Ken
      15. Jesse McNally
      16. Hansel n' Gretel
      17. Graham Miller
      18. Kakistos
      19. Forrest Gates
      20. Eyghon


      Results:
      Round 1 top three: Catherine Madison - Witch/Witch, Chantarelle/Lily/Anne - Lie To Me/Anne, Billy Fordham - Lie to Me/Lie to Me
      Round 2 top three:


      You keep waiting for the dust to settle and then you realize it; the dust is your life going on. If happy comes along - that weird unbearable delight that's actual happy - I think you have to grab it while you can. You take what you can get, 'cause it's here, and then...gone.

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      • - Gnarl
        + Gwendolyn Post

        Doc - Forever/The Gift - 8
        Ethan Rayne - Halloween/A New Man - 6
        Ampata - Inca Mummy Girl/Inca Mummy Girl - 6
        Gnarl - Same Time, Same Place/Same Time, Same Place - 7
        Gwendolyn Post - Revelations/Revelations - 2
        Holden Webster - CWDP/CWDP - 8
        Kendra Young - What's My Line, part 1/Becoming, part 1 - 4
        Kennedy - Bring On The Night/Chosen - 5


        Reset at remaining:
        15
        9
        5

        Eliminated:
        08.
        09. Der Kindestod
        10. Kathy Newman
        11. Halfrek
        12. Dracula
        13. Hank Summers
        14. Ken
        15. Jesse McNally
        16. Hansel n' Gretel
        17. Graham Miller
        18. Kakistos
        19. Forrest Gates
        20. Eyghon


        Results:
        Round 1 top three: Catherine Madison - Witch/Witch, Chantarelle/Lily/Anne - Lie To Me/Anne, Billy Fordham - Lie to Me/Lie to Me
        Round 2 top three:




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        • + Gnarl
          - Gwendolyn Post

          Doc - Forever/The Gift - 8
          Ethan Rayne - Halloween/A New Man - 6
          Ampata - Inca Mummy Girl/Inca Mummy Girl - 6
          Gnarl - Same Time, Same Place/Same Time, Same Place - 8
          Gwendolyn Post - Revelations/Revelations - 1
          Holden Webster - CWDP/CWDP - 8
          Kendra Young - What's My Line, part 1/Becoming, part 1 - 4
          Kennedy - Bring On The Night/Chosen - 5


          Reset at remaining:
          15
          9
          5

          Eliminated:
          08.
          09. Der Kindestod
          10. Kathy Newman
          11. Halfrek
          12. Dracula
          13. Hank Summers
          14. Ken
          15. Jesse McNally
          16. Hansel n' Gretel
          17. Graham Miller
          18. Kakistos
          19. Forrest Gates
          20. Eyghon


          Results:
          Round 1 top three: Catherine Madison - Witch/Witch, Chantarelle/Lily/Anne - Lie To Me/Anne, Billy Fordham - Lie to Me/Lie to Me
          Round 2 top three:

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          • - Kendra
            + Kennedy

            Doc - Forever/The Gift - 8
            Ethan Rayne - Halloween/A New Man - 6
            Ampata - Inca Mummy Girl/Inca Mummy Girl - 6
            Gnarl - Same Time, Same Place/Same Time, Same Place - 7
            Gwendolyn Post - Revelations/Revelations - 2
            Holden Webster - CWDP/CWDP - 8
            Kendra Young - What's My Line, part 1/Becoming, part 1 - 3
            Kennedy - Bring On The Night/Chosen - 6


            Reset at remaining:
            15
            9
            5

            Eliminated:
            08.
            09. Der Kindestod
            10. Kathy Newman
            11. Halfrek
            12. Dracula
            13. Hank Summers
            14. Ken
            15. Jesse McNally
            16. Hansel n' Gretel
            17. Graham Miller
            18. Kakistos
            19. Forrest Gates
            20. Eyghon


            Results:
            Round 1 top three: Catherine Madison - Witch/Witch, Chantarelle/Lily/Anne - Lie To Me/Anne, Billy Fordham - Lie to Me/Lie to Me
            Round 2 top three:



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            • - Gwendolyn Post
              + Doc


              Doc - Forever/The Gift - 9
              Ethan Rayne - Halloween/A New Man - 6
              Ampata - Inca Mummy Girl/Inca Mummy Girl - 6
              Gnarl - Same Time, Same Place/Same Time, Same Place - 7
              Gwendolyn Post - Revelations/Revelations - 1
              Holden Webster - CWDP/CWDP - 8
              Kendra Young - What's My Line, part 1/Becoming, part 1 - 3
              Kennedy - Bring On The Night/Chosen - 6


              Reset at remaining:
              15
              9
              5
              Eliminated:
              08.
              09. Der Kindestod
              10. Kathy Newman
              11. Halfrek
              12. Dracula
              13. Hank Summers
              14. Ken
              15. Jesse McNally
              16. Hansel n' Gretel
              17. Graham Miller
              18. Kakistos
              19. Forrest Gates
              20. Eyghon


              Results:
              Round 1 top three: Catherine Madison - Witch/Witch, Chantarelle/Lily/Anne - Lie To Me/Anne, Billy Fordham - Lie to Me/Lie to Me
              Round 2 top three:





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              • The points have gone wonky between my last vote and flow's. GPost should have gone. It should be (last posters Stoney, flow, SoS)...

                +
                -

                Doc - Forever/The Gift - 9
                Ethan Rayne - Halloween/A New Man - 6
                Ampata - Inca Mummy Girl/Inca Mummy Girl - 6
                Gnarl - Same Time, Same Place/Same Time, Same Place - 8
                Gwendolyn Post - Revelations/Revelations - 0
                Holden Webster - CWDP/CWDP - 8
                Kendra Young - What's My Line, part 1/Becoming, part 1 - 3
                Kennedy - Bring On The Night/Chosen - 6


                Reset at remaining:
                15
                9
                5

                Eliminated:
                07.
                08. Gwendolyn Post
                09. Der Kindestod
                10. Kathy Newman
                11. Halfrek
                12. Dracula
                13. Hank Summers
                14. Ken
                15. Jesse McNally
                16. Hansel n' Gretel
                17. Graham Miller
                18. Kakistos
                19. Forrest Gates
                20. Eyghon


                Results:
                Round 1 top three: Catherine Madison - Witch/Witch, Chantarelle/Lily/Anne - Lie To Me/Anne, Billy Fordham - Lie to Me/Lie to Me
                Round 2 top three:

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                • I love Ethan. He's in more than one episode, and he and Giles have all sorts of chemistry. What he draws out of Giles - (You had sex with Giles! On a police car?! Twice!!) (I refuse to become a monster because I look like a monster. I have a soul. I have a conscience. I am a human being. Oh, stop the car!) - is amazing, and I love insight into Giles. All of these are great characters but he's the one I would have loved to see have a semi regular role.

                  + Ethan Rayne
                  - Kennedy

                  Doc - Forever/The Gift - 9
                  Ethan Rayne - Halloween/A New Man - 7
                  Ampata - Inca Mummy Girl/Inca Mummy Girl - 6
                  Gnarl - Same Time, Same Place/Same Time, Same Place - 8
                  Holden Webster - CWDP/CWDP - 8
                  Kendra Young - What's My Line, part 1/Becoming, part 1 - 3
                  Kennedy - Bring On The Night/Chosen - 5


                  Reset at remaining:
                  15
                  9
                  5

                  Eliminated:
                  07.
                  08. Gwendolyn Post
                  09. Der Kindestod
                  10. Kathy Newman
                  11. Halfrek
                  12. Dracula
                  13. Hank Summers
                  14. Ken
                  15. Jesse McNally
                  16. Hansel n' Gretel
                  17. Graham Miller
                  18. Kakistos
                  19. Forrest Gates
                  20. Eyghon


                  Results:
                  Round 1 top three: Catherine Madison - Witch/Witch, Chantarelle/Lily/Anne - Lie To Me/Anne, Billy Fordham - Lie to Me/Lie to Me
                  Round 2 top three:[/QUOTE]

                  Can we agree that the writers made everyone do and say everything with a thought to getting good ratings and being renewed. This includes everything we love as well as everything we hate.

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                  • - Holden Webster
                    + Kennedy

                    Doc - Forever/The Gift - 9
                    Ethan Rayne - Halloween/A New Man - 7
                    Ampata - Inca Mummy Girl/Inca Mummy Girl - 6
                    Gnarl - Same Time, Same Place/Same Time, Same Place - 8
                    Holden Webster - CWDP/CWDP - 7
                    Kendra Young - What's My Line, part 1/Becoming, part 1 - 3
                    Kennedy - Bring On The Night/Chosen - 6


                    Reset at remaining:
                    15
                    9
                    5

                    Eliminated:
                    07.
                    08. Gwendolyn Post
                    09. Der Kindestod
                    10. Kathy Newman
                    11. Halfrek
                    12. Dracula
                    13. Hank Summers
                    14. Ken
                    15. Jesse McNally
                    16. Hansel n' Gretel
                    17. Graham Miller
                    18. Kakistos
                    19. Forrest Gates
                    20. Eyghon


                    Results:
                    Round 1 top three: Catherine Madison - Witch/Witch, Chantarelle/Lily/Anne - Lie To Me/Anne, Billy Fordham - Lie to Me/Lie to Me
                    Round 2 top three:[/QUOTE]


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                    • Testing....

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                      • Originally posted by StateOfSiege97 View Post
                        Testing....

                        HELLOOOO! (hellohellohello)
                        Can we agree that the writers made everyone do and say everything with a thought to getting good ratings and being renewed. This includes everything we love as well as everything we hate.

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                        • It seems some of us can't access this thread anymore...

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                          • Has a second thread been started?

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                            • A continuation of this game can be found - here.

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