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  • #16
    Originally posted by flow View Post
    I was just asking myself, how you would pronounce Lizerrrbeathan in English.

    In German I would say Lee - there- bea- uttan. But it`s probably very different in English. I don`t think, there will ever be a Chance to say the name, but I still would like to know how to doit right

    flow
    Canadian English pronunciation would be Liz Er Beath En. You know it's a play on the word Elizabethan? I think you should pronounce it close to the German word for that era.


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    • #17
      I think it depends on accents, but I'd pronounce it Liz-err-bee-th-n . . . which will sound very different in German

      To me, the way you've spelt it sounds really odd when I say it out loud, the bea-uttan sounds like Bhutan, the country in Asia

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      • #18
        Google translate says Elizabethan is elisabethanisch in German.

        Here (drop the first E):

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        • #19
          Ah, thanks everyone. You are fantastic. I actually never realized, that her nick name was a play on the word Elizabethan. Maybe that is because the German equivalent is pronounced a bit differently. If you`d like to know how, you can listen to it here:

          https://educalingo.com/de/dic-de/elisabethanisch

          But maybe it is just because I am a nitwit, lol.

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          • #20
            flow, that's really interesting, thank you for sharing. Aliz-a-bet-ar-nish

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            • #21
              Are these still online? I can't find them.

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              • #22
                Very few of them are still available via waybackmachine. The links for those are in the Adieu thread, I think. But you are welcome to pm me with your email adress for any fics you‘d like to read.

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                • #23
                  By any chance, are you still willing to pass along copies of the stories that you have? I've loved everything that I've managed to find. There really aren't many other writers of Buffy/Spike that have such an interesting and individual command of prose the way Lizerrrbeathan does.

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                  • #24
                    Hi authentic,

                    welcome to the forum! I absolutely agree with you. Lizerrrbeathan`s stories are unique and she is one of the best Spuffy fanfic writers ever. You can send me a pm with your email and I can pass along whatever you are looking for. Sadly this forum requires you to post at least five posts before you are able to send and recieve pm`s. But we would all be delighted, if you are willing to join in our conversations on the forum with your own posts.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by flow View Post
                      welcome to the forum! I absolutely agree with you. Lizerrrbeathan`s stories are unique and she is one of the best Spuffy fanfic writers ever. You can send me a pm with your email and I can pass along whatever you are looking for. Sadly this forum requires you to post at least five posts before you are able to send and recieve pm`s. But we would all be delighted, if you are willing to join in our conversations on the forum with your own posts.
                      Thanks so much!

                      In the spirit of contribution then, I'm trying to remember my thoughts on Justice, Just Us, which was I think my favorite of their stories that I was able to find a copy of. What I liked about it (and also aspects of Spike By Snowlight) is the way Lizerrrbeathan gets at how intimately Buffy and Spike are tied up with the show's whole obsession with redemption and maturity. I've always read the Buffy/Spike tension and dynamic as being a sort of embodiment of Buffy's inner tension between humanity and "monstrous", disconnected Slayerness. Buffy in season 6 and Spike in season 7 are basically flipsides of each other. In s6 she becomes (or think she becomes) more like Spike, whereas in s7 Spike makes the deliberate decision to transform into something more human. I think you can read her caring about/believing in him in s7 as (in some sense) her caring about and believing in her own ability to be human.

                      And I mean, people may not think that story is good or done well. But I think that stuff is there. So for Justice, Just Us to center the whole concept of justice (and tension between justice and "just us"...ie, romantic human stuff) just seems really really appropriate. But it arguably takes both the "justice" and "romance" part more seriously than the show itself (a) by evaluating Angel and the fairness of the Buffyverse via actual legal process, and (b) by not being afraid of letting Buffy and Spike (and others) have genuine emotional/sexual connection. Just a lot of very rich stuff happening.

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                      • #26
                        Thanks so much! I tried to post a reply a while ago but it seems to have gotten stuck in moderation limbo, so I'll give it another shot.

                        I can’t remember exactly what I said, but I was trying to describe why I liked (what I could find of) Lizerrrbeathan's fic, and what it came down to is that I think it really uses what Buffy/Spike means in the context of the show itself, while still of course doing its own lushly romantic thing. Justice Just Us was the most this way but Spike In Snowlight also had it.

                        Mainly I think of Buffy and Spike as embodying this tension throughout the show between humanity and monstrousness. Sometimes it’s the tension between Buffy’s emotional, connected humanity and her mission-oriented Slayerly “monstrousness”. And sometimes it’s between her soulful heroism and her baser desires. Regardless, Spike always seems to represent something really specific to Buffy when it comes to these tensions. In season six he’s her fear that she’s evil and dead and wrong, and in season seven he’s her hope that she’s capable of helping and relating to people. I see an intimate relationship between her self-punishment via Spike in six and her self-belief via Spike in seven.

                        In general, the Buffyverse seems very preoccupied with things like redemption and maturity, and I’d argue Buffy and Spike’s attempts to integrate their conflicting selves (coming from opposite moral directions) are one of the big ways the show deals with those themes. Definitely just my interpretation, of course. But what’s cool about Justice Just Us is that in some ways it takes the both the ideas of “redemption” (ie, being right with the universe, ie “Justice”) and “maturity” (ie, being a physical and emotional person in the world, ie “Just Us”) more seriously than the show itself does. And has all of the characters end up in a way more integrated place. So we see “justice” play out via actual cosmic legal process, and characters thinking really concretely about what they owe the universe because of their actions. And we see emotional connection play out via romance and family in a way that’s more interested in how one lives out love on a day to day basis than creating TV drama. Which is pretty neat.
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